Orraloon Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 The dinosaur in a cage. That was a cracker of a thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow jock Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Absolutely love all this stuff, we as a species have done some pretty amazing things (as well as abhorrent) since we evolved from the plains of Africa. My take on non-Earth life, is that there must be millions of planets in our Galaxy (Billions in our Universe) that are teaming with biological life, however Intelligent life might be quite rare, although when i say rare there could be tens of thousands in our Galaxy and many millions throughout our Universe - the bad / sad news is that due to the scale of the cosmos we will probably never find out. just my non-educated take on it !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted February 19, 2021 Author Share Posted February 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, glasgow jock said: Absolutely love all this stuff, we as a species have done some pretty amazing things (as well as abhorrent) since we evolved from the plains of Africa. My take on non-Earth life, is that there must be millions of planets in our Galaxy (Billions in our Universe) that are teaming with biological life, however Intelligent life might be quite rare, although when i say rare there could be tens of thousands in our Galaxy and many millions throughout our Universe - the bad / sad news is that due to the scale of the cosmos we will probably never find out. just my non-educated take on it !! Pretty accurate and how I'd see it too. However, if Perseverance returns samples that prove that there was once life on Mars (even microbial) it would change everything. I mean life evolving in our neighbourhood on Mars and there are other candidates in our solar system too for some form of life such as Jupiter's moon Europa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 It's the step to multicelluar that took so long here. The moons are more likely to hold life currently. It's trying to rule out that life didn't evolve in one place and then travel between Mars and Earth or vice versa that is a problem. I understand it's a public engagement exercise but it tweeting just annoyed me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 7 hours ago, phart said: Scotty you talk about sheep when you're a member of the largest flock in modern human history... If only. Few are Bible-believing. 7 hours ago, phart said: ..following a shepherd no one has ever seen let alone a CGI copy. I believe by faith. In truth, there are no facts (just 'facts'). EVERYBODY believes EVERYTHING by FAITH. 7 hours ago, phart said: Following words written by a council of humans... There has never been a book written in the same way as the Bible. - The Bible was written by the Holy Spirit through about 40 humans. - who wrote from 3 different continents: Asia, Africa and Europe… - in many different places: the wilderness, prison, traveling, islands… - at different times; covering a span of about 1,600 years… - who did different kinds of jobs: fishermen, kings, shepherd, a herdsman, a politician, a doctor, a tax collector, a rabbinical scholar and more. They all wrote about the same thing, and without any contradictions. 7 hours ago, phart said: ...the subject they wrote about was alive in a language you don't understand, which was then translated into a language you don't understand. I understand Hebrew to English, Aramaic to English, and Greek to English. 7 hours ago, phart said: All this while availing yourself of the benefits modern science and it's methods have provided you, the same laws that govern flight,the internet , modern medicine, technology , super conductors a phone etc. But I accept true science. (I always have.) What I reject is pseudo-science, faux science, scientism, and theoretical science masquerading as true science. 7 hours ago, phart said: There's a reason you believed the April fools joke that there was a dinosaur found in South America... Lucid sleepwalking? (If you can find it, you'll see that the first person to pooh-pooh that thread was... me.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 7 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: Scotty can I kindly request you delete your pishy post and take it onto your own personal thread. There's a good lad eh? Is that you, Ramy? TAMBers don't 'own' threads. The forum is 'Anything Goes'. Opposing views and opinions aren't supposed to be censored or forbidden on message boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 3 hours ago, glasgow jock said: Absolutely love all this stuff, we as a species have done some pretty amazing things (as well as abhorrent) since we evolved from the plains of Africa. My take on non-Earth life, is that there must be millions of planets in our Galaxy (Billions in our Universe) that are teaming with biological life, however Intelligent life might be quite rare, although when i say rare there could be tens of thousands in our Galaxy and many millions throughout our Universe - the bad / sad news is that due to the scale of the cosmos we will probably never find out. just my non-educated take on it !! 3 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: Pretty accurate and how I'd see it too. Life doesn't evolve, and there aren't any 'planets' that we can land on. We have creation, stars, wandering stars, with lies and illusion backed by CGI. 2 hours ago, phart said: It's the step to multicelluar that took so long here. I was wondering what the hold up was. 2 hours ago, phart said: The moons are more likely to hold life currently. What does William Hill's say? 2 hours ago, phart said: It's trying to rule out that life didn't evolve in one place and then travel between Mars and Earth or vice versa that is a problem. Don't you hate that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted February 19, 2021 Author Share Posted February 19, 2021 22 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: Is that you, Ramy? TAMBers don't 'own' threads. The forum is 'Anything Goes'. Opposing views and opinions aren't supposed to be censored or forbidden on message boards. Okay. Another one on block. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted February 19, 2021 Author Share Posted February 19, 2021 3 hours ago, phart said: It's trying to rule out that life didn't evolve in one place and then travel between Mars and Earth or vice versa that is a problem. Yes that is a good point. We had the meteorite from Mars in 1996 that was found in Antartica that were thought to contain evidence of primitive life on Mars but later picked apart as actually being contaminated by Earth-bound life forms or something. https://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/snc/nasa1.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Scotty CTA said: TAMBers don't 'own' threads. The forum is 'Anything Goes'. Opposing views and opinions aren't supposed to be censored or forbidden on message boards. I thought this thread is supposed to be about the Mars Perseverence Mission; rather than a debate about the bible, the nature of faith or the epistemology of scientism. These could be fine topics for debate and opposing views, but really belong on another thread - why not start a new thread for those things, and let's keep this one for Mars and space exploration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted February 19, 2021 Author Share Posted February 19, 2021 Already very interesting photos being returned. One of the Rover being lowered to the surface with the pully cords still in place from the cradle section to the rover. Also very interesting looking rocks with holes in them which scientists think they are either volcanic rocks or perhaps sedimentary rocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Good job the old swear filter from the previous board is obsolete or this could have been a very different, and rather intimate, thread altogether!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, ThistleWhistle said: Good job the old swear filter from the previous board is obsolete or this could have been a very different, and rather intimate, thread altogether!! Remember the guy called gatekeeper who was wondering why his name kept getting changed to sweetheart haha! You have tens of thousands of faiths all with the same sense of certainty all arguing they're right with no actual real life output. Then you have 1 set of physical rules which tens of thousands of scientists all agree upon which have produced countless real world examples. The evidence is overwhelming it doesn't need debated or defended. Everything we know at a fundemental level can be expressed in one mathmatical formula as well. Edited February 19, 2021 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 A little reminder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 21 minutes ago, wheres the pies said: A little reminder then add in how far away each of them are from each other as well, get this weird sort of vertigo thinking about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, phart said: then add in how far away each of them are from each other as well, get this weird sort of vertigo thinking about it. Go on phart tell me is it millions or billions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 31 minutes ago, phart said: Remember the guy called gatekeeper who was wondering why his name kept getting changed to sweetheart haha! You have tens of thousands of faiths all with the same sense of certainty all arguing they're right with no actual real life output. Then you have 1 set of physical rules which tens of thousands of scientists all agree upon which have produced countless real world examples. The evidence is overwhelming it doesn't need debated or defended. Everything we know at a fundemental level can be expressed in one mathmatical formula as well. Ha ha - that must be ten year ago aye! When you see what can be achieved with a common purpose like knocking this vaccine out barely a year after outbreak or this Mars mission it would be interesting to see what could be achieved if religion and science found ways of working together beyond blowing up competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 19 minutes ago, phart said: then add in how far away each of them are from each other as well, get this weird sort of vertigo thinking about it. Easiest way to cure the vertigo is to accept the universe is flat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 27 minutes ago, ThistleWhistle said: Easiest way to cure the vertigo is to accept the universe is flat The universe is flat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 41 minutes ago, wheres the pies said: Go on phart tell me is it millions or billions Mars at its closest is about 35 million miles away. Jupiter about 365 million! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, phart said: Mars at its closest is about 35 million miles away. Jupiter about 365 million! Jupiter 365 million miles away amazing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, wheres the pies said: Jupiter 365 million miles away amazing 40,208,000,000,000 km to the nearest star. so 25 trillion miles or so. Edited February 19, 2021 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 46 minutes ago, phart said: The universe is flat! It pickles my mind reading what shape the universe is - is the horizon as far as we can calculate in a globe shape? If it's finite in distance could we sail off the edges like we used to believe possible on this planet not very long ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, ThistleWhistle said: It pickles my mind reading what shape the universe is - is the horizon as far as we can calculate in a globe shape? If it's finite in distance could we sail off the edges like we used to believe possible on this planet not very long ago? Well we don't have enough data there's conflicting evidence, it might be space time is curved so you'd end up where you started and we only have the observable universe we don't know what's beyond that. I'm defo not qualified to say! That's all I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 some nifty pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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