TartanJon Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Vanguard Bears organised the scenes we witnessed on Friday night via their website.Surely Rangers FC have to condemn their behaviour or else they are seen to be encouraging sectarianism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningtings Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Don't hold your breath... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Extreme0 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Unless they get attention from the media, Goverment, Glasgow Council or a big campaign group. They won't bother releasing a statement since they are not exatcly "liable" for their actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
France here we come Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 .Surely Rangers FC have to condemn their behaviour or else they are seen to be encouraging sectarianism. Those bastards only exist because of sectarianism ffs. How naive are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverbear Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Vanguard Bears organised the scenes we witnessed on Friday night via their website.Surely Rangers FC have to condemn their behaviour or else they are seen to be encouraging sectarianism. Really? I've just had a look on the website & can't see anything remotely like what you're suggesting. I only looked on the Home page of course as you have to be a Member to enter the forum. Perhaps you're a member so can post a link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ANDYP Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 It was in the paper on sunday mate, so don't know how accurate the story is. Personally I don't care who they support but from the footage I saw they were just scum. I would bet my house on it that they are not all rangers fans but most of them would have been Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverbear Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Those bastards only exist because of sectarianism ffs. How naive are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanJon Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 Really? I've just had a look on the website & can't see anything remotely like what you're suggesting. I only looked on the Home page of course as you have to be a Member to enter the forum. Perhaps you're a member so can post a link? Apologist No1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverbear Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Apologist No1 No need to apologise but if you can post a link then I'd be interested. I'd be very disappointed too as the VB have produced some interesting articles in the past & I'd hate to learn this is something they'd endorse let alone organise. Fair enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I've just had a look on the website & can't see anything remotely like what you're suggesting. I only looked on the Home page of course You looked on one page of the website That's like saying you can't see anything remotely about our game against Germany on the TAMB as it isn't on the home page! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/politics/referendum-news/george-square-trouble-the-night-our-readers-became-reporters.1411314286 Says in the above Herald article. Would explain the convoy I inadvertently got stuck in when I was taking the wife into town on Friday night. Where do you even buy Union Jack wing mirror covers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningtings Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 That's behind the paywall, copy and paste? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 George Square Trouble: The night our readers became reporters By Neil MacKay Sunday 21 September 2014 You are the reporters, Sunday Herald readers. Throughout the weekend, your tweets, retweets, Facebook posts, YouTube videos and emails were invaluable to us trying to piece together what was happening throughout Glasgow as loyalist trouble flared in George Square. We had three reporting staff in the square, along with two photographers. After we began posting live images of loyalists giving Nazi salutes and taunting and jeering a much smaller and more peaceful group of Yes supporters, you more or less took over. You sent our images around the country, and you emailed our news desk and reporters with information on where loyalist gangs were moving in the city and what they were doing. You sent us images and footage of them fighting, terrorising ordinary people and spreading disorder in a city which until Friday night had been a carnival of fun and hope, not a carnival of hate. Where throughout the week students, office staff on their lunch breaks, and families had sung Caledonia and Labi Siffri's Something Inside So Strong in George Square, by Friday night the songs had become chants - including "You had your chance and you f***** it up" - screamed with menace and hate, and interposed with singing of Rule Britannia. The heart of Glasgow had gone from Woodstock to Belfast in the space of just one day. And you told us what you thought of this. This was the dark face of Unionism, you said again and again in messages on social media. This was Scotland's shame. This disgusted and repelled you. You - the 45% - responded to our requests for information by liaising with each other online and getting the information to us when you could. And then you decided to act not just as reporters but as investigative reporters. We had heard that the loyalist violence was being co-ordinated online by a hardline group with connections to Northern Ireland. So, we used social media to ask you to help us find out if this was true - there was too much chatter and activity online for any one news desk to check every lead - and you helped us. The entire loyalist demonstration had indeed been orchestrated online, it turned out. You sent us the online poster headed "Scotland Said No" asking for demonstrators to come to the city centre at 6pm. The poster was circulated widely by Britain First, the far-right party set up by ex-BNP members, which has a strong following in Northern Ireland and the west of Scotland. Then you sent us Facebook postings from ordinary Rangers fans, horrified at what their fellow fans were planning. One read: "I am a Rangers supporter. The Rangers pages have been drumming up support to riot at George Square all day. It's disgusting. I am ashamed of them." Then you sent us the social media exchanges of various loyalists you had been monitoring online. One read: "Glasgow riots were crazy, absolutely brilliant buzz. Rule Britannia!" Others talked of going out "slashing c**ts" and wanting "to go to George Square and stab a couple of pencilcases" (slang for students). Another read: "I stabbed a c**t n I liked it". One post from a Rangers supporters' club called on members to gather at "17.00 on the street behind the Louden [bar] and the Bristol Bar on Duke Street". It went on to give a "map route to all cars", and instructed followers to go to "George Sq for a party". You then identified to us a group of Rangers football fans called the "Vanguard Bears" as being the organisation most involved in the "aggro", as people dubbed the violence online. By Saturday morning, multiple sources were confirming that the Vanguard Bears were the main instigators. Last year, Police Scotland said it had received complaints of a "death list" posted online by the Vanguard Bears of individuals its sees as being opposed to the club. The Vanguard Bears, which has close links with loyalist groups in Belfast, posted an image showing journalists, politicians and people involved in football, including the face of late QC Paul McBride - a prominent Celtic supporter and friend of Neil Lennon. The Progressive Unionist Party - a Northern Ireland political party affiliated with the loyalist paramilitary group the Ulster Volunteer Force - also met with the Vanguard Bears supporters group last year to discuss opposition to the independence referendum. On Thursday, the day of the referendum, the Bears group posted an image of Britannia alongside images of Alex Salmond's head on a spike and the severed head of Nicola Sturgeon. Yesterday it posted a statement online reading: "Our voice is on the rise, we must by actions, not words or political soundbites, ensure our Union is defended." As Friday night wore on into the early hours of Saturday, you, our readers, were even able to keep our reporting staff out on the streets informed about events at our offices. Two men started a fire by the generator which powers the offices of Sunday Herald, The Herald and the Evening Times. Soon you were tweeting images of the fire and asking if we were all OK. We were - though we were out of action until early yesterday afternoon because of the power outage caused by the fire. Police are now investigating. You also retweeted the numerous threats and vile verbal attacks made to our members of staff in order to name and shame the loyalists trolling them online. Your support was much appreciated. On you went, overnight and into yesterday, thousands and thousands of tip-offs, leads, pictures, videos, screen grabs and support. You became an integral part of the newspaper. During the independence campaign, we tried our very hardest to give you the voice in the media you wanted and no-one else was giving you, and you repaid us over the weekend by becoming our eyes and ears - and joining in and becoming a part of the voice of the Sunday Herald. And for that, we thank you from the very bottom of our hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilly71 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) Why should Silverbear apologise? Lets not use this as an excuse to knock every Rangers fan. Think how hard it must be at times to be a supporter of Indy and go to Ibrox and see and hear some of the bile on display. Plenty of gers supporters on here who don't follow the orange cultists. We can't tar them all with the same brush, its counter productive and obviously incorrect. Will rangers football club do anything about this? Of course they won't, anything relating to the organising if this by vanguard bears or any other rabid forum will no doubt have been removed by now. Screenshots and captures though were sent aplenty to the Herald and doubtlessly the police too. Edited September 23, 2014 by neilly71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jailender Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Life returns to normal. Rangers become the hot topic on the TAMB ! Incidentally, in the above article from the Herald, it states that a fire was stated by two men at the paper's generator. The paper's twitter account since dismissed this, and said it was an electrical fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Where do you even buy Union Jack wing mirror covers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverbear Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 You looked on one page of the website That's like saying you can't see anything remotely about our game against Germany on the TAMB as it isn't on the home page! No I didn't. I went onto the website Home page & scrolled back through previous articles & can't find any link to anything connected to what Tartan Jon's referring. I couldn't access any other parts of the site as I'm not a member so couldn't sign in & access any of the forums. Is that any clearer for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 No I didn't. I went onto the website Home page & scrolled back through previous articles & can't find any link to anything connected to what Tartan Jon's referring. I couldn't access any other parts of the site as I'm not a member so couldn't sign in & access any of the forums. Is that any clearer for you? You said you looked on the homepage. You maybe don't understand what a homepage is. So it seems you made an @rse of yourself in attempting to sweep scumbaggery from your fellow Rangers fans under the carpet and by not understanding basic terms. *ObligatoryLaughingSmileyHere* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningtings Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Ta, not surprised really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 As I said on another thread. The good fans of RFC have got to stop tolerating the bigoted ones and the rest of us have to stop tolerating those good fans of RFC who do continue to tolerate the bigots. There has to be a price for bigotry and it is a place in our company. All this pretending you don't see shit has got to end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverbear Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 You said you looked on the homepage. You maybe don't understand what a homepage is. So it seems you made an @rse of yourself in attempting to sweep scumbaggery from your fellow Rangers fans under the carpet and by not understanding basic terms. *ObligatoryLaughingSmileyHere* Maybe I don't know what a homepage is then? I went onto the Vanguard Bear's website & pressed Home. Then I backtracked through previous articles & saw nothing to support TJ's assertion that the trouble in George Sq was organised by the Vanguard Bears. I then pressed Forum but couldn't access it as it required me to either Sign In or Register. I've no wish to register so chose not to. Still with me so far? Splendid! I think as the Master of Bawbaggery on here, I have much to learn from you in the 'making an arse of yourself' department. At no time have I 'attempted to sweep scumbaggery from fellow Rangers fans in this incident. I have already said I'd be disappointed if the VB were instrumental in the organisation of the trouble in George Sq & was asking Tartan Jon to provide the link. I wasn't calling him out, just asking for proof. If there is evidence I'll condemn it like I'm sure any right minded reasonable Rangers fan would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Sites that are loaded with bigotry FF and RM for example should be seen as on a par with Stormfront. How can decent people intermingle with that filth, I do not understand how they can do it. We are all far too tolerant of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverbear Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Why should Silverbear apologise? Lets not use this as an excuse to knock every Rangers fan. Think how hard it must be at times to be a supporter of Indy and go to Ibrox and see and hear some of the bile on display. Plenty of gers supporters on here who don't follow the orange cultists. We can't tar them all with the same brush, its counter productive and obviously incorrect. Will rangers football club do anything about this? Of course they won't, anything relating to the organising if this by vanguard bears or any other rabid forum will no doubt have been removed by now. Screenshots and captures though were sent aplenty to the Herald and doubtlessly the police too. Thank you. You could possibly be right in that certain articles may have been removed from certain websites & are not visible now. My guess is that it's more likely to come through Basefook & Twatter & the people that frequent those sites? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
France here we come Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Sites that are loaded with bigotry FF and RM for example should be seen as on a par with Stormfront. How can decent people intermingle with that filth, I do not understand how they can do it. We are all far too tolerant of this. Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Vanguard Bears organised the scenes we witnessed on Friday night via their website.Surely Rangers FC have to condemn their behaviour or else they are seen to be encouraging sectarianism. Not a hope in hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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