The Brexit Thread

[Mox]

The bit yesterday when Theresa starts bubbling was better than The Sopranos and The Wire combined, I really hope she is suffering.

[TDYER63]

I hope they don’t resort to eeny meeny miny moe or we are stuck with Himmler’s nephew 😕

They are all hideous but Gove, Leadsom and Rees Mogg in particular make my skin crawl. Raab is stupid but they are dangerous. 

[Caledonian Craig]

Just now, TDYER63 said:

I hope they don’t resort to eeny meeny miny moe or we are stuck with Himmler’s nephew 😕

They are all hideous but Gove, Leadsom and Rees Mogg in particular make my skin crawl. Raab is stupid but they are dangerous. 

Is there any competent and viable options in the Tory party though? They have always been a nasty party and that will not change.

[TDYER63]

3 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said:

Is there any competent and viable options in the Tory party though? They have always been a nasty party and that will not change.

Who knows, I am biased because I am not a Tory and do not resonate with most of their ideals.

One of the outsiders may surprise us but none of them will have the experience of guiding the UK through this Brexit shitfest, there is no time for learning the ropes. It has to be one of the big guns and none of them look appealing. They are the extreme of the Tories. 

[Caledonian Craig]

38 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

Who knows, I am biased because I am not a Tory and do not resonate with most of their ideals.

One of the outsiders may surprise us but none of them will have the experience of guiding the UK through this Brexit shitfest, there is no time for learning the ropes. It has to be one of the big guns and none of them look appealing. They are the extreme of the Tories. 

The mind-blowing thing is the Tories seem to look up to a friggin' clown (Boris Johnson) as if he is some sort of god when he is a useless moron. Made a total arse of it as Foreign Secretary and just looks like a total clown as well.

[vanderark14]

1 hour ago, Mox said:

The bit yesterday when Theresa starts bubbling was better than The Sopranos and The Wire combined, I really hope she is suffering.

I have a tiny degree of sympathy for her, she was thrown under the bus. I doubt there is any politician around who would unite parliament and find the right deal for brexit. 

 

 

[Ally Bongo]

11 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

I have a tiny degree of sympathy for her, she was thrown under the bus. I doubt there is any politician around who would unite parliament and find the right deal for brexit. 

 

 

 

A politician that is honest with the public rather than being more interested in votes and power would

Asking for much i know but in this climate it was easier than ever

[Caledonian Craig]

12 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

I have a tiny degree of sympathy for her, she was thrown under the bus. I doubt there is any politician around who would unite parliament and find the right deal for brexit. 

 

 

No sympathy whatsoever from me. She is a cold, heartless being. Her tears were for herself but never saw her shed tears for those that died due to Tory incompetence at Grenfell or showed any sorrow for her big part in Project Windrush when she let a junior colleague take the flak and lose her job whilst she got off scot free given that she was foreign secretary at the time chucking people here legally out of the country.

[TDYER63]

17 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said:

The mind-blowing thing is the Tories seem to look up to a friggin' clown (Boris Johnson) as if he is some sort of god when he is a useless moron. Made a total arse of it as Foreign Secretary and just looks like a total clown as well.

He strikes me as one of these intelligent ( I do think he is intelligent in an ‘educated at Eton and knows lots of stuff  ‘‘ kinda way 🙄) but gaffe stricken buffoon and for that reason, amongst many others,  he should be nowhere near the job. But will probably get it.

 https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-conservative-leader-mistakes-gaffes-prime-minister-theresa-may-quotes-a8928791.html%3famp

 

[ParisInAKilt]

31 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

I have a tiny degree of sympathy for her, she was thrown under the bus. I doubt there is any politician around who would unite parliament and find the right deal for brexit. 

 

 

Save your sympathy. She’ll walk into a kushy corporate gig, fair chance she was appointed to try and halt leaving the EU as much as possible 

[TDYER63]

1 minute ago, ParisInAKilt said:

Save your sympathy. She’ll walk into a kushy corporate gig, fair chance she was appointed to try and halt leaving the EU as much as possible 

Not forgetting the book which is probably being penned as we speak. 

[TDYER63]

35 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

I have a tiny degree of sympathy for her, she was thrown under the bus. I doubt there is any politician around who would unite parliament and find the right deal for brexit. 

 

 

I was actually hoping in her farewell speech she started effing and swearing and slagging off the lot of them, as they try to tear the mic off her jacket. 

[scotlad]

15 hours ago, Rich NATA said:

That Ladbrokes list with the odds has some mental f*ckers on it...

Is that the calibre of person they have to replace Theresa May?!?!?!

Back in the day, it would have been Major, Hague, Duncan-Smith, Clarke, Heseltine... at least they were sane.

 

Could be good in the push for independence, mind  

 

IDS is a dud, but I take your point, the decline in calibre over the last 20 years is alarming.  It's almost as bad as looking at a list of Scotland's right-back options.

If the shitshow going on down south isn't making more folk at least contemplate the idea of independence then I hate to think what might.

13 hours ago, Dave78 said:

Which in normal circumstances would make him the ideal candidate. But we're not in normal circumstances.

Scotlad is right to say the Tories usual never pick the favourite, but this time they need a big popular personality to push through a likely no-deal Brexit.

Boris is the only one that fits the bill.

That's a good point.  These are exceptional circumstances so a moderate John Major or David Cameron type might not cut it.  Someone with bluster  as their main weapon might be required.

[scotlad]

49 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said:

No sympathy whatsoever from me. She is a cold, heartless being. Her tears were for herself but never saw her shed tears for those that died due to Tory incompetence at Grenfell or showed any sorrow for her big part in Project Windrush when she let a junior colleague take the flak and lose her job whilst she got off scot free given that she was foreign secretary at the time chucking people here legally out of the country.

Even if I detest someone I can normally find some sympathy with them in certain circumstances, but Teresa May greetin yesterday just made me cringe.  It was a self-pitying greet, like a toddler having its toy taken away because they're being annoying.  It was undignified and embarrassing.  At least it was in keeping with her tenure as PM, I suppose.

[TDYER63]

6 minutes ago, scotlad said:

 

That's a good point.  These are exceptional circumstances so a moderate John Major or David Cameron type might not cut it.  Someone with bluster  as their main weapon might be required.

I remember reading somewhere, might have been on this board, someone saying that when you are in power you need to pick a side . Trying to appease everyone is impossible,  and playing the middle ground means you get attacked from both sides. I thought it was a good point, and the current situation is probably a prime example of this. 

[scotlad]

3 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

I remember reading somewhere, might have been on this board, someone saying that when you are in power you need to pick a side . Trying to appease everyone is impossible,  and playing the middle ground means you get attacked from both sides. I thought it was a good point, and the current situation is probably a prime example of this. 

I mind Ken Clarke saying something similar about Teresa May, around the first time she presented her Brexit deal to parliament.

[aaid]

21 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

I remember reading somewhere, might have been on this board, someone saying that when you are in power you need to pick a side . Trying to appease everyone is impossible,  and playing the middle ground means you get attacked from both sides. I thought it was a good point, and the current situation is probably a prime example of this. 

It's a quote attributed to Thatcher, "the problem with being in the middle of the road is you get knocked down from both sides"

[TDYER63]

4 minutes ago, aaid said:

It's a quote attributed to Thatcher, "the problem with being in the middle of the road is you get knocked down from both sides"

😕, I try to be open minded .....

 

[Ally Bongo]

The fact that every week some roaster in the Question Time audience shouts "We voted to leave, why havent we left " or "We should just leave" shows the damage that has been done with both May and Corbyn not being honest.

May should have addressed this nonsense from the start rather than her "Brexit means Brexit" and "No deal is better than a bad deal" rhetoric

She should have made clear that any deal would not be as good as being in the EU and that the UK Union would end if we left without a deal considering how Scotland (and to a lesser extent) NI voted

Then she should have put it back to the public and if no deal was still the option she should have stood down and have a General Election and let a party with no deal as it's manifesto run 

[mariokempes56]

2 hours ago, vanderark14 said:

I have a tiny degree of sympathy for her, she was thrown under the bus. I doubt there is any politician around who would unite parliament and find the right deal for brexit. 

 

 

She was thrown under the bus ? She was driving the fukker

[ParisInAKilt]

2 hours ago, TDYER63 said:

Not forgetting the book which is probably being penned as we speak. 

Nauseating. 

And people will buy it, even those who hate her

[ParisInAKilt]

1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said:

The fact that every week some roaster in the Question Time audience shouts "We voted to leave, why havent we left " or "We should just leave" shows the damage that has been done with both May and Corbyn not being honest.

May should have addressed this nonsense from the start rather than her "Brexit means Brexit" and "No deal is better than a bad deal" rhetoric

She should have made clear that any deal would not be as good as being in the EU and that the UK Union would end if we left without a deal considering how Scotland (and to a lesser extent) NI voted

Then she should have put it back to the public and if no deal was still the option she should have stood down and have a General Election and let a party with no deal as it's manifesto run 

Isn’t a no deal Brexit what the UK voted for?

You’re right that any deal would be worse than being a full member of the EU but people voted to leave. 

[aaid]

5 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

Isn’t a no deal Brexit what the UK voted for?

You’re right that any deal would be worse than being a full member of the EU but people voted to leave. 

Well of course there was no detail on what leaving would look like but show me an example of any prominent Leave campaigner putting forward the view that they would like to leave without a deal.  You won't be able  because they didn't say anything approaching that, to the contrary they we're in the main proposing what would now be considered a very soft Brexit. 

[ParisInAKilt]

10 minutes ago, aaid said:

Well of course there was no detail on what leaving would look like but show me an example of any prominent Leave campaigner putting forward the view that they would like to leave without a deal.  You won't be able  because they didn't say anything approaching that, to the contrary they we're in the main proposing what would now be considered a very soft Brexit. 

Be best just scrapping it now and take the hit at the next election 

[Caledonian Craig]

41 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

Isn’t a no deal Brexit what the UK voted for?

You’re right that any deal would be worse than being a full member of the EU but people voted to leave. 

A No Deal Brexit was never an option - let's be honest. And Brexiteers failed to address or even think about the most pivotal reason for why this was the case. Brexiteers never once mentioned what would happen in this idyllic No deal Brexit world of theirs to the Irish Border. The Irish Border issue was only ever going to remain as is to protect the Good Friday Agreement meaning a hard border was not an option and for a No Deal Brexit to happen it can only do so with a hard border going up in Ireland. And so that is where everything unravels. As if a soft border was to remain then some sort of trade deals or other solution tying the UK to the EU is necessary. Brexit No Deal - the great white lie.

Edited May 25, 2019 by Caledonian Craig