Toepoke Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I think the FM has played a blinder recently but comments like these are probably ill advised at the moment. Just stirs up another shitstorm... http://m.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/salmond-we-don-t-need-referendum-for-independence-1-3548270 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Aye. Politicians have to cool the public statements. Westminster has the initiative now. Let them feck it up in peace. Meantime we need to build an even stronger grassroots movement and do our damnedest to get broadcasting devolved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Yeap. It's important at this moment in time that supporters of independence don't give these rags the chance to paint every single person as an extremist, as they have done for 2 years now. There's a lot of anger and frustration out there which should be channelled into supporting the SNP, and their efforts to hold Westminster to account for reneging on their....cough...'vows'. Not the greatest statement from Salmond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Independence without a vote, Day of Reckoning, Over 50'being singled out, blaming everyone but himself for Yes only obtaining 38% of the registered voters. The rhetoric is concerning from Salmond and Sillars. Thank goodness for Nicola Sturgeon and her calming words in the Guardian today in which she states she intends to align the SNP to devolution within the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morag Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Totally disagree. It MUST be clearly stated on Page 1 of the SNP manifesto that a vote for them to govern, is a vote for them to govern in an independent Scotland (and I have complete faith that it will be). Shit or bust perhaps. But it has never been the SNP's intention to permanently govern in a UK region. A fair fight was tried. Want an SNP government? Then it comes with Independence. Don't want Independence? Then vote for your choice of despicable liars instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Independence without a vote, Day of Reckoning, Over 50'being singled out, blaming everyone but himself for Yes only obtaining 38% of the registered voters. The rhetoric is concerning from Salmond and Sillars. Thank goodness for Nicola Sturgeon and her calming words in the Guardian today in which she states she intends to align the SNP to devolution within the UK. Oh, shut up ya tedious, boring wee fart. Any comment on the broken timetable, and apparent lies from the No campaign ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 (edited) Oh, shut up ya tedious, boring wee fart. Any comment on the broken timetable, and apparent lies from the No campaign ? Patrick Harvie spoke sense on R4 today. Better to get it right first time rather than spend years undoing unworkable legislation.SNP need to play their part and I am sure they will. Edited September 22, 2014 by EddardStark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Patrick Harvie spoke sense on R4 today. Better to get it right first time rather than spend years undoing unworkable legislation.SNP need to play their part and I am sure they will. When is a "vow" not a "vow" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 When is a "vow" not a "vow" ?I suppose that's politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 The union is crumbling like a digestive biscuit as we speak, the no vote has eroded immensely from the start of the campaign and already the supposed promised powers by Brown (the worst PM of recent times) leaves many no voters already regretting their decision. The cork is out of the bottle or cracks are in the dam...independence will happen it is just a matter of when. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 The union is crumbling like a digestive biscuit as we speak quote]only on TAMB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Independence without a vote, Day of Reckoning, Over 50'being singled out, blaming everyone but himself for Yes only obtaining 38% of the registered voters. The rhetoric is concerning from Salmond and Sillars. Thank goodness for Nicola Sturgeon and her calming words in the Guardian today in which she states she intends to align the SNP to devolution within the UK. What was the percentage of the registered vote for the shameful no vote? You sound worried? AS is only playing by the rules that the unionists have played for decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 England wants it's own parliament as do Wales and Northern Ireland, almost half of Scots voted for Independence and yet you still think the union is rock solid?? You are living in a time of say four generations ago. The union gave security to many in dark days of World Wars One and Two where English, Scots, Irish and Welsh fought alongside each other in the trenches and died for one another. To coin a phrase from our national anthem 'those days are gone now' and a swiftly growing move to localised governments and seperation of one ruling body is now in place. The union is dying and I'd guess it may have no more than a generation left in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 (edited) What Salmond says is true. Imagine if in a few years everyone is so angry with the broken promises and cuts that they return a huge number of SNP MSPs. What if the membership of the SNP had swollen making it even bigger than the Conservative and Unionist party. These are mandates for independence outright or at least another vote. Edited September 22, 2014 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 When is a "vow" not a "vow" ? ha! probably the same time a bloke with a union flag on, singing we are the people and the famine song isnt a rangers supporter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I agree that now isn't a great time to be making ourselves look like spoilt brats that didn't get their own way. However, unless I'm making this too simplistic, surely if the SNP make it abundantly clear in their manifesto that in the event of a majority at Holyrood, they will declare independence, then it's down to the electorate. It is in essence a referendum is it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Independence without a vote, Day of Reckoning, Over 50'being singled out, blaming everyone but himself for Yes only obtaining 38% of the registered voters. The rhetoric is concerning from Salmond and Sillars. Thank goodness for Nicola Sturgeon and her calming words in the Guardian today in which she states she intends to align the SNP to devolution within the UK. Full Devo max and they safeguard the union. easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 What Salmond says is true. Imagine if in a few years everyone is so angry with the broken promises and cuts that they return a huge number of SNP MSPs. What if the membership of the SNP had swollen making it even bigger than the Conservative and Unionist party. These are mandates for independence outright or at least another vote. Absolutely. Just remember that Brown's pledges came out of a moment of sheer blind panic after the first opinion poll putting the Yes vote in the lead. Thereafter the no vote edged back ahead again undoubtedly on his pledges. Any referendum/election won built up on falsehoods merits another vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ANDYP Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I would rather go down the referendum route but not for another few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 The union is crumbling like a digestive biscuit as we speak quote]only on TAMB Do you ever look at other social media? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I agree that now isn't a great time to be making ourselves look like spoilt brats that didn't get their own way.However, unless I'm making this too simplistic, surely if the SNP make it abundantly clear in their manifesto that in the event of a majority at Holyrood, they will declare independence, then it's down to the electorate.It is in essence a referendum is it not?so what would be the question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I think the FM has played a blinder recently but comments like these are probably ill advised at the moment. Just stirs up another shitstorm... http://m.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/salmond-we-don-t-need-referendum-for-independence-1-3548270 Not comfortable with that at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningtings Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I don't think this is a good idea at this stage, just makes us look like crackpots with our hands over our ears. I reckon, as some have suggested, that it has to be done in logical steps. It was too much of a leap for many to go to full independence. Take the new powers, if they end up coming, then push for DevoMax, then get another referendum lined up. If they don't give us the powers then obviously that's a different situation, but I think the stepping stones approach would appease enough NO voters at each stage that come the question again more would be willing to go with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 It will die down in a while but I think he is just laying the ground work that this is not over. It is giving hope to many that it is not over and willing them to continue with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilScotsman Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Independence without a vote, Day of Reckoning, Over 50'being singled out, blaming everyone but himself for Yes only obtaining 38% of the registered voters. The rhetoric is concerning from Salmond and Sillars. Thank goodness for Nicola Sturgeon and her calming words in the Guardian today in which she states she intends to align the SNP to devolution within the UK. The only logical reason for mentioning this is that you think it should have necessitated 50% of eligible voters to say Yes. 50% of eligible voters did not say No, either. Either that or your capacity for logic is impaired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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