exile Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Labour must embrace Englishness – and be proud of it http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/05/labour-embrace-englishness-proud-patriotism Labour rules out English parliament http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/05/labour-rules-out-english-parliament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bzzzz Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Labour slates the SNPs "penny for Scotland" campaign. 1999 Labour want a 1p increase in income tax in Scotland. 2016 Ridiculous random joke party. #deadinmay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorbotnic Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Labour slates the SNPs "penny for Scotland" campaign. 1999 Labour want a 1p increase in income tax in Scotland. 2016 Ridiculous random joke party. #deadinmay 1999: SNP supports "penny for Scotland" 2016: SNP criticises Labour plan for 1p tax rise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bzzzz Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 1999: SNP supports "penny for Scotland" 2016: SNP criticises Labour plan for 1p tax rise Context fella, Scotland was in a VERY different place in 99... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Labour must embrace Englishness – and be proud of it http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/05/labour-embrace-englishness-proud-patriotism An interesting article. There's no doubt at all that Labour is dead in Scotland unless it 'embraces Scottishness'. But how does it do that without siding with independence ? It's a real conundrum for the north British branch of Labour. Be seen as a 'Unionist' party...the same as the Tories....and have no votes, or embrace Scottish self'determination, and at least recover some credibility. Fact is, Labour in Scotland made that bed for itself during the referendum campaign, How do they recover from that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 An interesting article. There's no doubt at all that Labour is dead in Scotland unless it 'embraces Scottishness'. But how does it do that without siding with independence ? It's a real conundrum for the north British branch of Labour. Be seen as a 'Unionist' party...the same as the Tories....and have no votes, or embrace Scottish self'determination, and at least recover some credibility. Fact is, Labour in Scotland made that bed for itself during the referendum campaign, How do they recover from that ? Kezia the Savior had a brainwave a few months ago when addressing English Labour members which went along the lines of ... "Don't say your going to Scotland, say your going to Edinburgh or Aberdeen instead." Her argument being that we should forget about being English, Welsh or Scottish and be British instead. Eh, naw ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorbotnic Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Context fella, Scotland was in a VERY different place in 99... Right - for both SNP and labour. They've both changed their policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Right - for both SNP and labour. They've both changed their policies. It was a daft idea in1999 and it's an even dafter idea now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jockodile Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 It will take Indy for Labour to have even a sniff of a chance of govt in Holyrood. Deep down they must know this but having nailed colours to the mast in 2014 they are caught in an prism of Idealism over pragmatism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorbotnic Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 It was a daft idea in1999 and it's an even dafter idea now. Aye, I agree. But its a bit hypocritical to attack labour for inconsistency on it when the SNP has been precisely as inconsistent, too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Labour must embrace Englishness – and be proud of it http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/05/labour-embrace-englishness-proud-patriotism Naw! unless it 'embraces Scottishness'. Naw! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cove_Sheep Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 It was a daft idea in1999 and it's an even dafter idea now. The proposal in 1999 was actually to not bother with a 1p CUT in tax. So, not really the same. If it was actually possible to only levy the increase on the top earners, I'd support this increase. As, I don't believe it actually is possible to do that, I'd not support it as I'm against the folk at the bottom being asked to pay more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 The proposal in 1999 was actually to not bother with a 1p CUT in tax. So, not really the same. If it was actually possible to only levy the increase on the top earners, I'd support this increase. As, I don't believe it actually is possible to do that, I'd not support it as I'm against the folk at the bottom being asked to pay more. In the eyes of tax payers the overall result was going to be the same. They were expecting taxpayers in Scotland to pay more than taxpayers south of the border. That was never going to be a good idea. You're right the SG doesn't have that power and the "new powers" in April won't give it that power, even if loads of folk, for some reason, seem to think they will. It probably wouldn't raise a huge amount of extra money anyway, as Scotland has a lower percentage of high earners than England, which kinda tells a story in itself. And higher earners have ways to avoid paying extra income tax if they want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 SNP have embraced racists (according to the front of the Record)... http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/get-pakis-out-party-snp-7328646 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 SNP have embraced racists (according to the front of the Record)... http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/get-pakis-out-party-snp-7328646 She doesn't sound very nice . I did have a little chuckle to myself this morning when the local UKIP rep was using this to highlight that UKIP aren't all that bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleboyblue Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 The proposal in 1999 was actually to not bother with a 1p CUT in tax. So, not really the same. If it was actually possible to only levy the increase on the top earners, I'd support this increase. As, I don't believe it actually is possible to do that, I'd not support it as I'm against the folk at the bottom being asked to pay more. Rather than the daft rebate idea, reintroducing the 10p starting rate band, which brown abolished, at the same time as cutting basic rate from 22% to 20%, would be help here. Break even was around 17,000, which is still too low but better than 11,000. We don't have the power to do that either though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 Labour's woes in England won't be solved with an English Parliament http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/02/labours-woes-england-wont-be-solved-english-parliament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) Wrong thread Edited February 10, 2016 by ErsatzThistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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