thewolf_1980 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Congratulations Ross County! The Ronny treble roar is withheld for at least one more season. Or permanently...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Because accidental contact should not be a red card, as anyone who has ever played football can attest. It can be a penalty, but never a red card. Ain't no apologist for either of the ugly sisters, but that was never ever deserving of a red card. If that were to happen to Considine in midweek you would be spitting fire. And rightly so. You're 100% incorrect. He was rightly sent off. You might think the laws of the game are a bit unfair (I'd agree) but they were correctly applied here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Considine is an expert in being a clumsy khqunt in the box against Celtic and getting regularly red carded. I'm absolutely certain that he 'didn't mean' any of his numerous daft elephant like fouls, but he's been sent-off so many times you think he might learn. You'd think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 You're 100% incorrect. He was rightly sent off. You might think the laws of the game are a bit unfair (I'd agree) but they were correctly applied here. This. Accidental or not the ref got it right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Congratulations Ross County! The Ronny treble roar is withheld for at least one more season. Or permanently...? They won't sack him. Even defeat at todders probably wouldnt be enough to make this board act. The 'project' continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 You're 100% incorrect. He was rightly sent off. You might think the laws of the game are a bit unfair (I'd agree) but they were correctly applied here. There was no intent on the part of Ambrose, that much is obvious. As such, the laws weren't implemented properly Parkie. My interpretation is that it was an incorrect decision on the part of Craig Thomson. Just my opinion, and I fully accept that you have a different one. You have no right or justification to say that I am 100% incorrect, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 is intent part of the decision making process? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 is intent part of the decision making process?No. It's completely irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 There was no intent on the part of Ambrose, that much is obvious. As such, the laws weren't implemented properly Parkie. My interpretation is that it was an incorrect decision on the part of Craig Thomson. Just my opinion, and I fully accept that you have a different one. You have no right or justification to say that I am 100% incorrect, though. I'm saying you're 100% incorrect because you are. You need to read up on the laws of the games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 is intent part of the decision making process? If it isn't then every handball in the box would be a penalty or a foul, yes? See Mikel Lustig and Adam Rooney at Firhill this season and make your own mind up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 No, why?It was a joke. Did he not get his baws rapped for saying something similar about a firing squad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I'm saying you're 100% incorrect because you are. You need to read up on the laws of the games. As I said in my previous post - Adam Rooney at Firhill this season. Parkie, yet again you don't help yourself by being an arrogant ##### in the face of another opinion that is different to your own. A little bit of humility and keeping the debate in the spirit in which it is intended would help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 If it isn't then every handball in the box would be a penalty or a foul, yes? See Mikel Lustig and Adam Rooney at Firhill this season and make your own mind up. For fouls involving kicking, tripping and general fouling, then it needs to be careless, reckless or using excessive force. Ambrose's challenge would be careless. There is no concept of "deliberate" as far as these offences are concerned, deliberate only applies to handball. It was a clear foul in the penalty box and denied an obvious goalscoring opportunity, so the ref got both the penalty and the sending off correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 As I said in my previous post - Adam Rooney at Firhill this season. Parkie, yet again you don't help yourself by being an arrogant ##### in the face of another opinion that is different to your own. A little bit of humility and keeping the debate in the spirit in which it is intended would help. Unfortunately for you Parkie is right on this occasion. As has been described intent has heehaw to do with this decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 For fouls involving kicking, tripping and general fouling, then it needs to be careless, reckless or using excessive force. Ambrose's challenge would be careless. There is no concept of "deliberate" as far as these offences are concerned, deliberate only applies to handball. It was a clear foul in the penalty box and denied an obvious goalscoring opportunity, so the ref got both the penalty and the sending off correct. Disagree on the basis that Ambrose wasn't even attempting a challenge - his contact was unintentional and therefore not deliberate. If you were the defender would you really have described that contact as a challenge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I'm a ##### because you think fouls have to be deliberate and won't accept you're wrong when it's been explained. Belter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Unfortunately for you Parkie is right on this occasion. As has been described intent has heehaw to do with this decision. So, if I accept you and Parkie's reasoning, then why were Adam Rooney and Mikel Lustig's unintentional handballs at Firhill earlier this season not similarly punished? It's one or the other - it cannot be both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 So, if I accept you and Parkie's reasoning, then why were Adam Rooney and Mikel Lustig's unintentional handballs at Firhill earlier this season not similarly punished? It's one or the other - it cannot be both. Because hand ball has to be deliberate. No other offence does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 (edited) . EDIT: Made a shit point. Edited January 31, 2016 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Disagree on the basis that Ambrose wasn't even attempting a challenge - his contact was unintentional and therefore not deliberate. If you were the defender would you really have described that contact as a challenge? LAW 12 - FOULS AND MISCONDUCT Direct free kick A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force: • kicks or attempts to kick an opponent • trips or attempts to trip an opponent • jumps at an opponent • charges an opponent • strikes or attempts to strike an opponent • pushes an opponent • tackles an opponent The bit in bold, that's what Ambrose did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I'm a ##### because you think fouls have to be deliberate and won't accept you're wrong when it's been explained. Belter. Parkie you come across as an arrogant ##### because of your attitude, and the way you convey it to fellow posters. You have plenty of previous in this regard. Your opinion I have no problem with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMcoolJ Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Disagree on the basis that Ambrose wasn't even attempting a challenge - his contact was unintentional and therefore not deliberate. If you were the defender would you really have described that contact as a challenge? I hear what you're saying coupled with what Kumnio said earlier about the contact being minimal. However, both are irrelevant and the ref got it right. Could they adopt a rule where in similar instances if the pen is scored, then the penalised player is permitted back onto the pitch? If it's missed, they are red carded? Avoids the "double whammy". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Parkie you come across as an arrogant ##### because of your attitude, and the way you convey it to fellow posters. You have plenty of previous in this regard. Your opinion I have no problem with. Just admit you're wrong instead of trying to blame someone else. What does any of this do with the fact you're wrong. What a fecking tantrum to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis McBasher Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Better team (after the red card) won. Ah well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wembley67lisbon Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Yes ditch it. I hate it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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