Scunnered Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 More than 520 people work on the Nuclear weapons side. Thousands. Also, a SSBN without nuclear weapons is a pointless but of kit, so they'd be scrapped, as would the jobs. Devonport would likely keep the Astute class then there would be no Faslane. Meaning no direct jobs, second tier jobs and indirect jobs in the surrounding areas. Still IMO it's a moot point, we've just had our majority Conservative government re commit to the Successor Programme. Independence was the only thing that could have changed the status quo. J Not yet we haven't. The debate and vote is scheduled for February 2016 as it has been for a considerable time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 More than 520 people work on the Nuclear weapons side. Thousands. Also, a SSBN without nuclear weapons is a pointless but of kit, so they'd be scrapped, as would the jobs. Devonport would likely keep the Astute class then there would be no Faslane. Meaning no direct jobs, second tier jobs and indirect jobs in the surrounding areas. Still IMO it's a moot point, we've just had our majority Conservative government re commit to the Successor Programme. Independence was the only thing that could have changed the status quo. J SSBN is an Americanism, you can fire Ballistic missles without nuclear warheads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfieMoon Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Not yet we haven't. The debate and vote is scheduled for February 2016 as it has been for a considerable time. In fairness, I think we probably get what BristolHibby is getting at: With the current majority Tory government and broad support from Labour and Libs - there's absolutely nothing to suggest that this bill won't sail through with not much debate other than the SNP making some noise and the rest of the Commons pointing and laughing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 In fairness, I think we probably get what BristolHibby is getting at: With the current majority Tory government and broad support from Labour and Libs - there's absolutely nothing to suggest that this bill won't sail through with not much debate other than the SNP making some noise and the rest of the Commons pointing and laughing. Corbyn wants to allow balloting of members to ballot members on trident, according to internal polling 66% of members oppose trident renewal. I have faith that the VP of CND will come through, and then it's a matter of how many Tories have a conscience, and how many Labour defy their leader. It's a slim chance bordering on a miracle being required, but a chance none the less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) In fairness, I think we probably get what BristolHibby is getting at: With the current majority Tory government and broad support from Labour and Libs - there's absolutely nothing to suggest that this bill won't sail through with not much debate other than the SNP making some noise and the rest of the Commons pointing and laughing. Indeedy. I was asking about the approval of CASD across the UK. IIRC people in the majority want them, so I don't see that changing soon.Like I said, independence was the only chance to remove Nuclear Weapons from Scotland. That ship (boat) has sailed (for the time being). J Edited November 26, 2015 by Bristolhibby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Corbyn wants to allow balloting of members to ballot members on trident, according to internal polling 66% of members oppose trident renewal. I have faith that the VP of CND will come through, and then it's a matter of how many Tories have a conscience, and how many Labour defy their leader. It's a slim chance bordering on a miracle being required, but a chance none the less. Imagine the media reaction if it was voted down. Oh the hilarity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) Imagine the media reaction if it was voted down. Oh the hilarity Imagine the media reaction if it was voted down. Oh the hilarity What a bounce! Tax credits cut reversal and Trident scrapping would surely cement the people's champion as the greatest opposition leader of all time... One can dream. Edited November 26, 2015 by Scunnered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Corbyn wants to allow balloting of members to ballot members on trident, according to internal polling 66% of members oppose trident renewal. I have faith that the VP of CND will come through, and then it's a matter of how many Tories have a conscience, and how many Labour defy their leader. It's a slim chance bordering on a miracle being required, but a chance none the less. If the VP of CND (CND - FFS!) does not come through, he will go down as the most morally bankrupt leader of any party, anywhere, ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 More than 520 people work on the Nuclear weapons side. Thousands. Also, a SSBN without nuclear weapons is a pointless but of kit, so they'd be scrapped, as would the jobs. Devonport would likely keep the Astute class then there would be no Faslane. Meaning no direct jobs, second tier jobs and indirect jobs in the surrounding areas. Still IMO it's a moot point, we've just had our majority Conservative government re commit to the Successor Programme. Independence was the only thing that could have changed the status quo. J Hibby, the 520 figure was the figure the Union gave out, they were on the 'naw we cannae,' side. Even Jabba Bailey doesnt dispute that figure but never states it... aye it is a mute point, but the facts will be needed for Indy 2, so keep everyone fresh and educated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 If the VP of CND (CND - FFS!) does not come through, he will go down as the most morally bankrupt leader of any party, anywhere, ever. That's a bit of a reactionary take on it... But yes, I reckon that's how it would be perceived. There is no mechanism in place within the Labour Party for balloting members outwith conference... But guess who's working on it? Go on guess! Ok, I'll tell you! KATY CLARK!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Ok, I'll tell you! KATY CLARK!!! Never in doubt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckielugger Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 For those on here who seem keen to want nuclear weapons, in the event of another nuclear power launching missiles at us...would u launch our tridents at them and if so for what purpose ? And secondly if u believe its right that we should possess a large nuclear arsenal, do u think every state in the world ought to have their own too ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 What a bounce! Tax credits cut reversal and Trident scrapping would surely cement the people's champion as the greatest opposition leader of all time... One can dream. You don't actually believe he has done a U turn on tax credits, do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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