Ally Bongo Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 No. And I'm not sticking up for them but they were unconvinced by what they were being told by the Yes camapign Thats a bit naive Jim Hood Labour MP for Hamilton East stood up in the house of commons and stated that even if he had a crystal ball that showed him that Scotland and it's people would be better off being Independent he would still vote against it I dare say many of the Nawbags - especially those on here - share that exact same view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Endell Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Fair enough. What about your fitba team when they win something? No feelings of pride despite it not being a personal achievement? Win something?? I'll tell you when it happens . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Thats a bit naive Jim Hood Labour MP for Hamilton East stood up in the house of commons and stated that even if he had a crystal ball that showed him that Scotland and it's people would be better off being Independent he would still vote against it I dare say many of the Nawbags - especially those on here - share that exact same view You keep to your own wee bitter made up world then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 You keep to your own wee bitter made up world then. Unfortunately I also came across more people like this than I was expecting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) You keep to your own wee bitter made up world then. Made up ? Raw nerve ? On every debate since the referendum when the "vow" is discussed there is always an element that state they did not vote No because of it. They state they would have voted No regardless I have heard loads of folk when the referendum is discussed including family members that say the exact same thing They had absolutely no interest in the arguments put across by Yes Edited January 13, 2015 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of Yermaw Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Nationality / ethnicity is just an accident of birth; I can't really see what there is to be 'proud' of about that. Yep and that's why the SNP promote civic nationalism and not the uber patriotic nonsense that the mainstream media seem to at times associate with the SNP. Billy Bragg wrote a great article about different forms of nationalism in The Guardian and how parties like the BNP are bizarrely grouped togther with the SNP by the media/I'll-informed. The promotion of civic nationalism is not helped by some posters on here/some over- zealous SNP followers but that shouldn't detract from the party's core position........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Unfortunately I also came across more people like this than I was expecting My comment was about 'people on here'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Made up ? Raw nerve ? On every debate since the referendum when the "vow" is discussed there is always an element that state they did not vote No because of it. They state they would have voted No regardless I have heard loads of folk when the referendum is discussed including family members that say the exact same thing They had absolutely no interest in the arguments put across by Yes You are right, from what I can tell. The 'vow' made no difference. The YES campaign failed to win the economic argument. The vow, however, does give nationalists a right to complain later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Made up ? Raw nerve ? On every debate since the referendum when the "vow" is discussed there is always an element that state they did not vote No because of it. They state they would have voted No regardless I have heard loads of folk when the referendum is discussed including family members that say the exact same thing They had absolutely no interest in the arguments put across by Yes I have be raw nerve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Interesting...calling Mohammed a is ok but Nawbag is 'abuse'. Think of Nawbag as 'satire'. Maybe it's only OK if you say it with pictures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Just heard on newsnight 28 labour mp's voted with the tory brethren to add to the austerity programme . well murphy where do you really stand on this betrayal of labour values ? alongside Ed methinks , bawbags the fukkin lot o them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 You are right, from what I can tell. The 'vow' made no difference. The YES campaign failed to win the economic argument. The vow, however, does give nationalists a right to complain later. But the vow did make a difference to some voters. It gave some voters the option of voting no but still voting for potential change for Scotland. And it's not just about giving 'nationalists' a right to complain, it's about democracy and conducting a campaign in the right way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) When one side of the debate is given a free pass by the media, and the other criticised every second of every minute of every day, some people's choices aren't based on anything but the bought media. Some who voted no did so for good reasons, some voted no out of fear, some out of stupidity, there's dozens of reasons. Some good, some bad. Nawbag is at times an entirely accurate description. Edited January 13, 2015 by kumnio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 You are right, from what I can tell. The 'vow' made no difference. The YES campaign failed to win the economic argument. The vow, however, does give nationalists a right to complain later. The "vow" without a shadow of a doubt DID make a difference. To the majority who did vote No it didnt but the percentage of those that it did was the difference between winning and losing - no question Remember only a swing of less than 5% was required to change the vote and at least that was swayed by the vow There were many many people that wanted an excuse not to vote Yes and that was it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanJon Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 You are right, from what I can tell. The 'vow' made no difference. The YES campaign failed to win the economic argument. The vow, however, does give nationalists a right to complain later. It made a massive difference and it might do again at GE2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorbotnic Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 The "vow" without a shadow of a doubt DID make a difference. To the majority who did vote No it didnt but the percentage of those that it did was the difference between winning and losing - no question Remember only a swing of less than 5% was required to change the vote and at least that was swayed by the vow There were many many people that wanted an excuse not to vote Yes and that was it According to Ashcroft's polls after the referendum, that isn't true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 According to Ashcroft's polls after the referendum, that isn't true. Ashcroft's polls the week before had Yes 51% and No 49% The vow was made and No won the referendum a week later He cant have it both ways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 The whole shambles around the vow made a mockery of the democratic process in the context of citizens being allowed to make informed decisions.It showed none of the signees had the integrity for government , it showed you when push comes to shove who's with who. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted January 14, 2015 Author Share Posted January 14, 2015 Alan Bisset :"If we had won, it would have been joyous, we would have been running up and down the streets...They win and all they feel is relief, all they could talk about was relief that order had been restored " Phyrric victory. Heres to the break up of the "great" britain in the next few years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Yeah the vow had no effect...that is why the 3 leaders of the 'now united 'opposition' parties all ran up here with shit running down their legs to make it. Jeezo... Honestly the sheer up is down dumbness of the No campaign is very reminiscent of the sort of person who actually believes the orange shirts were to honour dutch players. It is part sophistry but then part madness as well. They actually half believe their own verbal vomitings. Scotland alas is stowed with these nutcases and they all would have done their utmost to make an independent Scotland a failure. I think all we can do now is just recognize them for what they are. And make their lives a ing misery as best we can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 A No voting friend of mine told me they thought Scotland would be a laughing stock, and an embarrassment if Independent due to it being a nation of losers. I was quite shocked at the time but the weird thing is now post No that has all come true. I did not feel it before but I feel it now (not individually of course but generally). I also have found some solace in the fact that I genuinely underestimated the unbelievable ugliness of the No camp. If we had won a narrow Yes it would have been an absolute nightmare carrying them around. They would have been essentially a (Fifty) Fifth Column (but less than 50% obviously had Yes won). Now that we lost it is our duty to make their future a smoking ruin of course. Accept it, move on nawbags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 No. Honest answer. I find that bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 It reminds me of people saying you should not use the word quisling, quisling is really bad, quisling offends people, quisling makes them vote No, quisling is not productive... yeah but quisling is really ing accurate. Gordon Brown? Johann "I am quitting because London runs everything" Lamont? (ing what ya mental bitch?!) Pretendy Yes Nawbags? What are they then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I find that bizarre. Knowing Charlie, I don't!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 It reminds me of people saying you should not use the word quisling, quisling is really bad, quisling offends people, quisling makes them vote No, quisling is not productive... yeah but quisling is really ing accurate. Gordon Brown? Johann "I am quitting because London runs everything" Lamont? (ing what ya mental bitch?!) Pretendy Yes Nawbags? What are they then? Spot on as usual, Mr. Plinth. 'Proud Scots' my arse. I'd love to see the reaction in Barcelona to 'Proud Catalans', telling them their own people are a heap of shite and can't run their own affairs. Anyway, as I'm on my last warning, I'm refraining to get involved in these threads anymore. Regretably, thanks to the Nawbags, we need to live with the consequences, which includes being the laughing stock of Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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