Clyde1998 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46416591 Labour are suggesting that they'll call a no confidence vote in the Government if the Brexit deal vote is lost by the Government. "Under the Fixed Term Parliaments Act, if the government loses a vote on a motion of no confidence it has 14 days to pass a second confidence motion, or Parliament is dissolved and a general election is called." I reckon this could backfire and swing MPs behind the Government deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Looks like the media are doing their best to push May's deal through with guff like this The Tories are still ahead in the polls suggesting Labour are unelectable Their only hope would be a split parliament and for them to have a confidence and supply with the SNP to get them into power We have seen how the suggestion of that affects the English electorate If i am a Tory Brexiteer i'd be confident of retaining power after a new General Election with a new leader because there is no way the Tories will go into a GE without one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Looks like the media are doing their best to push May's deal through with guff like this The Tories are still ahead in the polls suggesting Labour are unelectable Their only hope would be a split parliament and for them to have a confidence and supply with the SNP to get them into power We have seen how the suggestion of that affects the English electorate If i am a Tory Brexiteer i'd be confident of retaining power after a new General Election with a new leader because there is no way the Tories will go into a GE without one I see McDonnell has ruled out any pact - he seems confident of winning election outright, though as you say, polls still show Tories ahead. https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-scotland/labour-rules-out-any-deal-on-new-scottish-independence-vote-the-times-idUKKCN1O038E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 3 hours ago, Clyde1998 said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46416591 Labour are suggesting that they'll call a no confidence vote in the Government if the Brexit deal vote is lost by the Government. "Under the Fixed Term Parliaments Act, if the government loses a vote on a motion of no confidence it has 14 days to pass a second confidence motion, or Parliament is dissolved and a general election is called." I reckon this could backfire and swing MPs behind the Government deal. That very well could be what Labour are secretly hoping for. Would you want to run the country in this shit storm? This announcement makes them look like they unhappy and are trying to do something, then allows them to blame the Tories for the mess that ensues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckielugger Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 A new PM highly likely. A GE highly unlikely. A Scottish PM? Possible! A certain Mr G definitely wants the job... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 So it seems Jeremy Corbyn tables motion of no-confidence in Theresa May (as opposed to the government, which would trigger a general election) What is going on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, exile said: So it seems Jeremy Corbyn tables motion of no-confidence in Theresa May (as opposed to the government, which would trigger a general election) What is going on? They don't want an election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Clyde1998 said: They don't want an election. So.... Will the 100 Tories who had no confidence in her last week, suddenly find confidence in her? Will the DUP who had no confidence in her or her deal last week, suddenly find confidence in her? And what about the Ross Thomsons, who see fishy threats and blood red lines in the Irish sea? Edited December 17, 2018 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, exile said: So.... Will the 100 Tories who had no confidence in her last week, suddenly find confidence in her? Will the DUP who had no confidence in her or her deal last week, suddenly find confidence in her? And what about the Ross Thomsons, who see fishy threats and blood red lines in the Irish sea? My point being that if they wanted a general election, they'd go ahead with a confidence vote in the Government, which is binding, rather than the Prime Minister, which is non-binding. It'll be interesting to see what those Tory MPs do though, as this is a public vote and would be more of a statement than a private vote against her. Edited December 17, 2018 by Clyde1998 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Clyde1998 said: My point being that if they wanted a general election, they'd go ahead with a confidence vote in the Government, which is binding, rather than the Prime Minister, which is non-binding. It'll be interesting to see what those Tory MPs do though, as this is a public vote and would be more of a statement than a private vote against her. Yes I get that. I was laughing because for weeks if not months, their favoured solution to everything is to have an election. So the idea that they might not want one would be just another crazy twist... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jailender Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Apparently, due to the fixed term government law which was passed before this Parliament, it would require a 2/3 majority to put into motion dissolving Parliament, and causing a GE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, jailender said: Apparently, due to the fixed term government law which was passed before this Parliament, it would require a 2/3 majority to put into motion dissolving Parliament, and causing a GE. That's true, but a simple majority is all that's required in a confidence vote to bring down a government and if no alternative government can be formed in 14 days, a general election is automatically triggered. So you can get an election without the 2/3rds majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Pointless without DUP support but it's a start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, exile said: Will the 100 Tories who had no confidence in her last week, suddenly find confidence in her? Can't remember where I read it but I read somewhere that when it comes to a confidence vote, Tory party rules state that any Tory MP who votes against the government, or even abstians without permission will automatically have the whip withdrawn, which in turn means that they will not be allowed to stand as a Tory candidate at the next election. Not sure if this is absolutely correct though? When it comes to matters of personal finance, many MP's principles can be severely tested. I'm hoping this one isn't a secret ballot? Edited December 18, 2018 by Orraloon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 I wonder how many Labour MPs will vote with Teresa or abstain? This is as big a test for Corbyn as it is for May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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