bonny78 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 If only we d got 2 more points in our last game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doric Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) On 2017-6-25 at 9:33 PM, macy37 said: Some absolute rockets on here think we've a chance for 2nd place. I'd be amazed if we managed two wins. Typical Scottish attitude . We are probably the most negative minded nation in the world hence the reason we failed to become Independent. Nation of losers. Edited June 28, 2017 by Doric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 31 minutes ago, Doric said: Typical Scottish attitude . We are probably the most negative minded nation in the world hence the reason we failed to become Independent. Nation of losers. Naw we didnt become independent because common sense prevailed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 26 minutes ago, bonny78 said: Naw we didnt become independent because common sense prevailed. Take cover bonny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 2 hours ago, todd said: Take cover bonny! 55% of ppl will back me up. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 C'mon mods, merge the threads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz1982 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 17 hours ago, Doric said: Typical Scottish attitude . We are probably the most negative minded nation in the world hence the reason we failed to become Independent. Nation of losers. I agree with this, it's deep-rooted in our psyche. The minute the group was drawn, we were aiming for second place, pathetic stuff really. Our recent match against England was a fairly even contest in my opinion yet our national manager comes out after the game and says, 'it was like watching a faitherweight box a heavyweight.' Anybody who did not see the game would think we were absolutely battered from start to finish. Our population is over 5 milion, our national sport is football, therefore our ambition should be to win either the Euros or World Cup, why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 36 minutes ago, Daz1982 said: Our population is over 5 milion, our national sport is football, therefore our ambition should be to win either the Euros or World Cup, why not? Has Bonny hacked your account? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 5 hours ago, Daz1982 said: I agree with this, it's deep-rooted in our psyche. The minute the group was drawn, we were aiming for second place, pathetic stuff really. Our recent match against England was a fairly even contest in my opinion yet our national manager comes out after the game and says, 'it was like watching a faitherweight box a heavyweight.' Anybody who did not see the game would think we were absolutely battered from start to finish. Our population is over 5 milion, our national sport is football, therefore our ambition should be to win either the Euros or World Cup, why not? Only one country with a population less than about 40 million has won the World Cup and that was about 70 years ago or something so I think that might be a bit too ambitious. It's almost as difficult to win the European championships these days as well. I think we should be aiming for (and regularly achieving) qualification for a major tournament at least every 4-6 years and hopefully making the second round now and again. Sadly, grassroots football in Scotland is on its erse and until we get that sorted we are going to struggle. We might qualify for the odd tournament but I think we are looking at once every 20 years or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doric Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 20 hours ago, bonny78 said: 55% of ppl will back me up. ? Aye now called Brits. Gave up their right to be Scottish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 37 minutes ago, Texas Pete said: Only one country with a population less than about 40 million has won the World Cup and that was about 70 years ago or something so I think that might be a bit too ambitious. It's almost as difficult to win the European championships these days as well. I think we should be aiming for (and regularly achieving) qualification for a major tournament at least every 4-6 years and hopefully making the second round now and again. Sadly, grassroots football in Scotland is on its erse and until we get that sorted we are going to struggle. We might qualify for the odd tournament but I think we are looking at once every 20 years or something. we haven't made a play off since 2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 9 minutes ago, Bino's said: we haven't made a play off since 2003 I'm only too aware of this painful fact. What's your point? My point was we should be aiming to qualify regularly as opposed to Daz1982's ridiculous idea that we should be aiming to win the World Cup. Sadly, we are nowhere near where we should be aiming to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 13 minutes ago, Texas Pete said: I'm only too aware of this painful fact. What's your point? My point was we should be aiming to qualify regularly as opposed to Daz1982's ridiculous idea that we should be aiming to win the World Cup. Sadly, we are nowhere near where we should be aiming to be. my point was just that rather than aiming to qualify every 4-6 years I would like us to even make a play off and hopefully not get beaten 6-1 in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 9 minutes ago, Bino's said: my point was just that rather than aiming to qualify every 4-6 years I would like us to even make a play off and hopefully not get beaten 6-1 in it Me too mate but we were talking about where a country of our population, footballing history and infrastructure should be aiming for and not what we be an improvement on our current beleaguered state. I don't think too many people would be satisfied with a playoff every 14 years but I think most of us would be happy with a trip to the finals of a major tournament every 4-6 years. I would be delighted with a playoff in this campaign though and believe it could still happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz1982 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Bino's said: 2 hours ago, Texas Pete said: I'm only too aware of this painful fact. What's your point? My point was we should be aiming to qualify regularly as opposed to Daz1982's ridiculous idea that we should be aiming to win the World Cup. Sadly, we are nowhere near where we should be aiming to be. My point is that if you do not aim to be the very best then what is the point? Aim for 2nd, 3rd, 4th best and that's what you'll get. Go through every nation in Europe and consider their best ever run in a tournament, think we are undoubtedly the biggest underachievers. All the home nations have progressed further and here's some more....... Bulgaria, Semis WC 94 Sweden, Semis EC 92 and WC 94 Iceland, QF EC 2016 Turkey, SF WC 2002 .........and yet we think that it's somehow impossible! Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Bulgaria, Sweden , Iceland, Turkey each one of those was from a golden generation we had three decades of golden generations one after the other in the 60's, 70's and 80's and couldn't get out of a group stage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big clarky Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 3 hours ago, Doric said: Aye now called Brits. Gave up their right to be Scottish. yep i can smell a hun, why you not on engurlands fan forum ya big unionist dumplin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Bino's said: Bulgaria, Sweden , Iceland, Turkey each one of those was from a golden generation we had three decades of golden generations one after the other in the 60's, 70's and 80's and couldn't get out of a group stage Got me thinkin' Bino's... Qualified for nothing in the 60's, and not for the Euros until the 90's. Just a squint at the 60's: 1965, an unfancied Poland (not like now) beat us 2-1 at Hampden vs Brown, Hamilton, McCreadie, Crerand, McNeill, Greig, Henderson, Bremner, Gilzean, Law, W.Johnston. We can feck it up in any decade! (In fairness, in the 62 & 70 WC qualifiers we narrowly lost out to good Czech & W.German sides with no 2nd place playoffs then.) Edited June 29, 2017 by Grim Jim ...and therefore missed out on '66 WC finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 51 minutes ago, Daz1982 said: .........and yet we think that it's somehow impossible! Why? Anything is possible but you need to be realistic at the same time. The belief that you can win a tournament, or at least go deep, has to be based on something. It's all very well saying we should be aiming to win tournaments but what are you basing that on? The fact that some other similar sized countries have done well in one World Cup? That's like saying I should be able to win the 100m at the olympics because I'm the same height as Usain Bolt. Things can change quickly in football. A few years ago Northern Ireland were absolute dross, way worse than we are now, and now they have qualified for the euros and are challenging in their group. Hopefully we can get back to qualifying regularly again ourselves but if we ever go deep in a tournament or even win it, it would be a major shock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Grim Jim said: Got me thinkin' Bino's... Qualified for nothing in the 60's, and not for the Euros until the 90's. Just a squint at the 60's: 1965, an unfancied Poland (not like now) beat us 2-1 at Hampden vs Brown, Hamilton, McCreadie, Crerand, McNeill, Greig, Henderson, Bremner, Gilzean, Law, W.Johnston. We can feck it up in any decade! (In fairness, in the 62 & 70 WC qualifiers we narrowly lost out to good Czech & W.German sides with no 2nd place playoffs then.) our most famous win ever at Wembley 67 was actually part of qualifying for euro 68 used the British championships as our regions qualifier and despite our Wembley win we lost to n Ireland and...i think, drew with Wales so England went to euros they lost on semi to Yugoslavia Edited June 29, 2017 by Bino's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Bottle is what we need to work on. Teams with bottle dont throw away late goals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo `81 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 18 hours ago, Daz1982 said: I 12 minutes ago, bonny78 said: Bottle is what we need to work on. Teams with bottle dont throw away late goals Nail.hit.head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, Robbo `81 said: Nail.hit.head. Every team in our group has lost late goals in this campaign. England conceded two in one game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 15 minutes ago, adamntg said: Every team in our group has lost late goals in this campaign. England conceded two in one game. Talking bout reallllly late. Slovakia v eng... Scot v lith. Scot v eng... Going back to 2015.. Scot v poland. Another exampl of naw bottle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, bonny78 said: Talking bout reallllly late. Slovakia v eng... Scot v lith. Scot v eng... Going back to 2015.. Scot v poland. Another exampl of naw bottle You've lost me. What's the cut-off at which point you have no bottle? And it was Scotland who got the late goal v Lithuania for that matter. And against Slovenia, and England. Do they not count? Edited June 30, 2017 by adamntg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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