Scotty CTA Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Ally Bongo said: Not to mention the Russians It's conveniently all available online Tell me why we've never seen the Pentagon footage. I've never ever heard of a reason.
Toepoke Posted January 22, 2017 Author Posted January 22, 2017 There's a fairly extensive astronaut shot panorama here around 22:30 in... Following the lift off of the Apollo 15 LM the remote camera left on the lunar rover was taken on a full panorama from mission control... https://youtu.be/zEsDC2oc6Bw
Scotty CTA Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 3 hours ago, Huddersfield said: I'm always intrigued what deniers of the landings think the tens of thousands of NASA scientists, technicians & planners thought they were doing? How would "they" keep so many people off the scent so that not even one of them smelled a rat? You couldn't keep that many people quiet really could you, nor really could you silence the TV crew that would have had to set up such a complex stage, film it, broadcast it, etc. Compartmentalisation is the biggest reason for not everyone on a project knowing what everybody else knows. Most would be on a need to know basis and on different security levels. Being a member of a secret society (and being compromised) would be another reason. Having your job and pension threatened (like the police and firemen gag order at ground zero) also. Folk could have seen a 'live' simulation exercise on their monitors. People could have built sets and been told that they were for training purposes.
biffer Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 22 hours ago, biffer said: I've said this before multiple times when this has cropped up. If anyone can come up with a convincing explanation of how the movement of dust was faked in the film from the moon, I'll be very surprised. It's never covered on any conspiracy website, basically because there isn't a way to do it except with the kind of cgi that's available now. Couldn't have been done in the sixties and seventies.
Toepoke Posted January 23, 2017 Author Posted January 23, 2017 Some cracking models there Scotty, whatever they were used for...
Scotty CTA Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 One thing I'd like is to be able to turn on my TV or computer and get a channel that has a live 24 hour satellite feed of the earth turning. I'd also like to be able to see a live 24 hour channel that shows all the satellites in orbit. (How many are up there anyway?)
Orraloon Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 18 hours ago, Scotty CTA said: The official version of events claims that in 1969 NASA landed 2 men on the moon and safely returned them to earth (at the first time of trying). I could definitely be convinced that man really did land on the moon. I am open to it. Let me explain my thinking by using some examples... 1. Obama (who is 5 months younger than me) has always refused to show his birth certificate. He even spent 2 million dollars on lawyers to try and avoid having to do so. What he did end up showing everyone was a doctored version of an electronic birth certificate that didn't even exist in 1961. So I'm kinda suspicious as to why he never showed his actual birth certificate to us. If you came to my house, I could show you my birth certificate in 30 seconds with nothing to hide. So what's the difference in one's ability to show their birth certificate between someone born in the NE of Scotland in 1961 and someone (allegedly) born in Hawaii in 1961? There really shouldn't be a difference. Just produce it in the same 30 seconds that I can produce mine. There... done. No controversy. 2. We were told that a hijacked 757 crashed into the Pentagon during the attacks on 9/11. Many don't believe that. So my question is, with so many security cameras on the world's most protected building, why don't they just show us? It makes it look as if there is something to hide. Why not simply go "Here's the video footage (from multiple angles) of Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon." There... done. Easy peasy. No controversy. 3. Now, as far as the alleged moon landings go... Why didn't one of the 12 men to have allegedly walked on the moon just stand on a 2 square foot spot and film while they turned 360 degrees? "Hello planet earth... This is what it looks like when I turn around while standing on the moon. You will see all 360 degrees of what I see." Not just the 3 walls of a studio set like "Friends"... "You will not see cameras and a studio audience as the '4th wall' because we really are on the moon." There... done. No conspiracy. My whole point is this... If what they are telling us is true and easily provable, then why in the name of 2+2=4 won't they lift their baby finger and prove it? I have no idea where my birth certificate is (nor do I care). Does that mean that I might never have been born? It's only a wee bit of paper.
Orraloon Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Scotty CTA said: One thing I'd like is to be able to turn on my TV or computer and get a channel that has a live 24 hour satellite feed of the earth turning. I'd also like to be able to see a live 24 hour channel that shows all the satellites in orbit. (How many are up there anyway?) The earth does spin. I saw it with my own eyes as I was driving my Ford Cortina into space. I was so distracted that I almost drove into the ISS. It's a lot fukin bigger than it looks, you know? I damn near keeched ma breeks.
Scotty CTA Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 On 1/23/2017 at 7:47 AM, Ally Bongo said: https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/181740-you-can-finally-watch-a-live-video-feed-of-earth-from-space-and-its-awesome Is there one back far enough to see the entire globe and all the satellites in orbit?
Huddersfield Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Scotty CTA said: Is there one back far enough to see the entire globe and all the satellites in orbit? That wouldn't be possible. If you went far enough away to see the entire globe spinning, the satellites would be too tiny to see (it would be like trying to spot tadpoles in a pond from a jet plane). Plus they aren't all neatly lined up, they have a variety of different orbit types (some orbit in the commonly understood sense, others are geocentric; all have different angles and distances).
Scotty CTA Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 Can we see the entire globe spinning? How many satellites are up there, and can we see a bunch of them at once?
McTeeko Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: Can we see the entire globe spinning? How many satellites are up there, and can we see a bunch of them at once? Can you no just ask your pal God to take a quick pic on his phone and text you it?
Huddersfield Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 38 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: Can we see the entire globe spinning? How many satellites are up there, and can we see a bunch of them at once? Taking this as a face value question, you can see it spinning from the links given above, but as a whole; no. That's for several reasons but I think the main one is that a satellite couldn't hold (or more accurately be held in) an orbital position that far from Earth. By seeing a bunch at once, do you mean from space? Again no (generally) because they are kept sizeable distances apart for obvious reasons. I remember seeing the space shuttle following the ISS from my back garden a while ago which was beautiful...2 silent dots in the sky tracking each other, then vanishing when they went into the Earths shadow. From Earth, if you track a geostationary satellite, you can use long exposure in a dark environment such as these: http://home.clara.net/robertkeddie/Astro/geo.htm There are over 2000 man-made satellites in orbit, plus any number of bits of space junk.
Mindimoo Posted February 3, 2017 Posted February 3, 2017 On 22 January 2017 at 2:17 AM, Scotty CTA said: Or in the studio.
biffer Posted February 3, 2017 Posted February 3, 2017 On 1/25/2017 at 3:11 PM, Huddersfield said: Taking this as a face value question, you can see it spinning from the links given above, but as a whole; no. That's for several reasons but I think the main one is that a satellite couldn't hold (or more accurately be held in) an orbital position that far from Earth. By seeing a bunch at once, do you mean from space? Again no (generally) because they are kept sizeable distances apart for obvious reasons. I remember seeing the space shuttle following the ISS from my back garden a while ago which was beautiful...2 silent dots in the sky tracking each other, then vanishing when they went into the Earths shadow. From Earth, if you track a geostationary satellite, you can use long exposure in a dark environment such as these: http://home.clara.net/robertkeddie/Astro/geo.htm There are over 2000 man-made satellites in orbit, plus any number of bits of space junk. It's entirely possible to stick a satellite in a solar orbit and point it back to earth to demonstrate this, but the question is why would you do it? We know the earth is spinning because of all sorts of other measurements and effects - e.g. the Coriolis effect, which just wouldn't happen if we weren't spinning.
Scotty CTA Posted February 3, 2017 Posted February 3, 2017 5 hours ago, biffer said: It's entirely possible to stick a satellite in a solar orbit and point it back to earth to demonstrate this, but the question is why would you do it? Proof... with nothing to hide. 5 hours ago, biffer said: We know the earth is spinning... You 'believe' the earth is spinning.... 5 hours ago, biffer said: ... because of all sorts of other measurements and effects - e.g. the Coriolis effect, which just wouldn't happen if we weren't spinning. The Coriolis effect is just a theory (with only pseudoscience proclaiming it as 'fact'). What are your thoughts on an aether being responsible for 'movement'?
Eisegerwind Posted February 3, 2017 Posted February 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Scotty CTA said: Proof... with nothing to hide. You 'believe' the earth is spinning.... The Coriolis effect is just a theory (with only pseudoscience proclaiming it as 'fact'). What are your thoughts on an aether being responsible for 'movement'? Aother load of pish purporting to be an enquiring mind. The bible claims the earth is stationary, so you're looking for any old pish theory to support the pish contained in the bible. t t
Scotty CTA Posted February 3, 2017 Posted February 3, 2017 If there's a difference between what we think we know and what actually is, then it should be explored. "Just why do we believe that the earth is round? I am not speaking of the few thousand astronomers, geographers and so forth who could give ocular proof, or have a theoretical knowledge of the proof, but of the ordinary newspaper-reading citizen, such as you or me." George Orwell
Huddersfield Posted February 3, 2017 Posted February 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: If there's a difference between what we think we know and what actually is, then it should be explored. "Just why do we believe that the earth is round? I am not speaking of the few thousand astronomers, geographers and so forth who could give ocular proof, or have a theoretical knowledge of the proof, but of the ordinary newspaper-reading citizen, such as you or me." George Orwell I've been a student & fan of Orwell most of my adult life & I can almost hear him turning in his grave at that abuse of his writing. Your citation is typical of Orwell's style of writing; he was fond of playing with concepts of human understanding and the use of language to manipulate thought and political belief. You take that paragraph out of context; he goes on to demonstrate precisely why he believes the Earth IS 'round'(ish), and you utterly misunderstand the core of Orwell's belief system. May I also draw your attention to another of his quotes: "I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is".
Scotty CTA Posted February 3, 2017 Posted February 3, 2017 Imagine a criminal organization with 2 sets of books. The (secret) first book contains the real numbers of their ill-gained profit. The second book contains the doctored set of numbers that is submitted to the government for tax purposes. Now, lets say that we went through school believing what we were taught from a doctored 'book'. The education system (for example) teaches that the sun is 93 million miles from the earth. I have no idea if that is true or not. I can't verify that on my own, but what if it is disinformation?
Toepoke Posted February 3, 2017 Author Posted February 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: The education system (for example) teaches that the sun is 93 million miles from the earth. I have no idea if that is true or not. I can't verify that on my own Have a bash here... http://www.exploratorium.edu/venus/question4.html
Scotty CTA Posted February 3, 2017 Posted February 3, 2017 8 minutes ago, Huddersfield said: I've been a student & fan of Orwell most of my adult life & I can almost hear him turning in his grave at that abuse of his writing. There's no need to be melodramatic. It was my way of simply asking why the layperson all too often puts his faith in those claiming to have the answers. 31 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: "Just why do we believe that the earth is round? I am not speaking of the few thousand astronomers, geographers and so forth who could give ocular proof, or have a theoretical knowledge of the proof, but of the ordinary newspaper-reading citizen, such as you or me." George Orwell The last part is the reason for posting the quote, as I (for one) refuse to be brow-beated into accepting the theories of scientism as fact. Orwell was asking 'why' (and so was I). 12 minutes ago, Huddersfield said: May I also draw your attention to another of his quotes: "I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is". Ironically, you think you nailed it, but you blew it. You are convinced I'm religious in the same way that you are convinced in the other 'truths' you accept. You would be mistaken on both counts. (I hate religion.)
Scotty CTA Posted February 3, 2017 Posted February 3, 2017 Just now, Ally Bongo said: Is it every religion you hate or every religion apart from yours ? I don't have a religion, I have a faith. Religion says 'do', but my faith says 'done'. Religion is external 'works' while my faith is only an internal change to the heart.
Scotty CTA Posted February 3, 2017 Posted February 3, 2017 21 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: We did It's called the Bible I went to a secular public school. Did you go to a religious Roman Catholic school? (Please explain 'We'.)
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