Orraloon Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 It wasn't. Dis naebody read the thread? http://tartanarmyboard.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=4786&p=164952 It's clearly ambiguous. Folk should learn to right proper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 It's clearly ambiguous. Folk should learn to right proper. Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Exactly. I will be voting yes because: 1. I want to be in EU. 2. I don't look like a posh English boy or am not and dont look like a thug. Hmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Hmmm. Any decent online material for a no vote you'd recommend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Any decent online material for a no vote you'd recommend? http://www.no2eu.com/?page_id=335 They're a coalition of Socialists and Trade Unionists opposing EU membership from the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 http://www.no2eu.com/?page_id=335 They're a coalition of Socialists and Trade Unionists opposing EU membership from the left. Cheers. Will have a look. Although I doubt I'll vote in it if I'm away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilser Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 BBC could be forced by law to cover EU Referendum impartiallly http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/bbc/11664797/BBC-could-be-forced-by-law-to-cover-EU-referendum-impartially.html I wonder what's brought this on? Is there any sort of precedent for the BBC not being neutral when covering a referendum campaign? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfieMoon Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 http://www.no2eu.com/?page_id=335 They're a coalition of Socialists and Trade Unionists opposing EU membership from the left. Interesting to read but will also be much more detail and a strong case to be put up for the 'No' side as this debate evolves. A socialist and trade union viewpoint like that provided (while valuable) is only one perspective. We should all recognise that we're engineered into the default position of us being led to believe that we need the EU so it's important to now question that with a quality of debate that brings the pro's and con's to the surface. If big business and the Westminster establishment tell us that we should be part of Europe then that also is reason enough to question it. Equally (even as an SNP voter) we should not accept the default position of SNP as gospel on this matter. It's interesting to see the parallels in arguments with the Indyref and the way that the debate is being played out in a similar manner. For people who weren't overly engaged in the Indyref I found it unbelievable that people complained of not having enough information when there was such a wealth of info out there but for the EUref, I can genuinely say that I now find myself in that same position. It would also be interesting to understand more about how successful Norway (for example) is in interacting with the EU and wider world as an EEC member with access to EU benefits of trade and Shengen as far as I'm aware. What areas of our economy would be the winners and losers of BRexit? I've seen suggestions of what's left of manufacturing (such as cars) leaving if we exited. I've also seen suggestions that we could further strengthen as a finance base/economy. I'd be very worried about us putting more of an emphasis on the finance sector and losing out on areas such as manufacturing which go in some small way to providing some degree of balance to our economy. Any word on who will lead up the 'No' campaign? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorbotnic Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 How was the Scottish referendum restricted by nationality? Only people with UK, commonwealth or EU nationality could vote in it. Plenty of Scottish residents are none of those things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I am also a genuine undecided when it comes to the EU ref. It's funny, because I can now empathise a bit with those occasionally exasperating people during the independence referendum who complained that there wasn't enough information available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Labour today voted with the Tories and thereby opposed 16/17 year olds getting the vote along with any EU citizens living here. Have Labour still not started to learn any lessons??? it was in the Labour Manifesto last month and they voted against it..this month They have completely lost the plot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Emily Maitliss just dropped an F-bomb interviewing a UKIP guy on Newsnight there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 it was in the Labour Manifesto last month and they voted against it..this month They have completely lost the plot... That's a lie though isn't it? Lies damage your credibility in the eyes of voters for a possible future indyref, if you're to be my comrade stop it Immediately! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 it was in the Labour Manifesto last month and they voted against it..this month They have completely lost the plot... If you want something to be angry at Labour for, why not be angry that they no showed an EU vote on a TTIP debate that was defeated by just 2 votes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 That's a lie though isn't it? Lies damage your credibility in the eyes of voters for a possible future indyref, if you're to be my товарищ stop it Immediately! What part was the Lie, Honestly? I read it in their manifesto, will i search it out for you? And they voted against it the other night, did they not.? I am not sure what a ( rosapnmh) is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 If you want something to be angry at Labour for, why not be angry that they no showed an EU vote on a TTIP debate that was defeated by just 2 votes... Good point, I was unaware of that... I no longer feel anger towards Labour... I am approaching Pity... Is Katy gonna stand for Holyrude? She would be a magnificent asset? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 What part was the Lie, Honestly? I read it in their manifesto, will i search it out for you? And they voted against it the other night, did they not.? I am not sure what a ( rosapnmh) is? It was in their manifesto, they didn't vote against it. They abstained on the SNP ammendment, but not on the grounds of 16/17 year old votes as they raised their own ammendment on the issue of 16/17 votes without the SNP add ons: Good point, I was unaware of that... I no longer feel anger towards Labour... I am approaching Pity... Is Katy gonna stand for Holyrude? She would be a magnificent asset? Good, now that you're angry/full of pity, it was SNP who no showed the vote! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 It was in their manifesto, they didn't vote against it. They abstained on the SNP ammendment, So your point is... they didnt vote against it they just didnt vote for it... Guid strong argument there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 So your point is... they didnt vote against it they just didnt vote for it... Guid strong argument there... I'm not sure if you're deliberately being obtuse, you misread my post or are genuinely that stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 Seems Tories aren't the only one with a wee split on their hands... http://morningstaronline.co.uk/a-df71-Labour-MPs-poised-for-big-anti-EU-drive#.VXxK-_lVhBc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 Seems Tories aren't the only one with a wee split on their hands... http://morningstaronline.co.uk/a-df71-Labour-MPs-poised-for-big-anti-EU-drive#.VXxK-_lVhBc Interesting. Michael Foot era Labour favoured withdrawal from (the then) EEC. There is a certainly a debate worth having here. I hope it is of a good standard and avoids the childishness and finger-pointing that sometimes dogged the independence referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 So there was a Tory rebellion against the "purdah" rules (about Govt not campaigning right up to referendum) - you'd think good old British fair play would apply here (at least for UK v EU if not UK v Scotland) But no - Cameron trying to steamroller it through and Labour abstain?! when they could have defeated the Govt So Labour yet again posted absent not actually opposing the Govt - what is Labour for any more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 SNP ammendment defeated by 514-71. Dearie me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 SNP ammendment defeated by 514-71. Dearie me! Depressing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Depressing On the plus side at least the SNP boys and girls can moan about labour voting against something without resorting to lies ala 16 & 17 old votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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