Scunnered Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 They did - did you not see the Labour Party press release. I also had fold on twitter saying exactly that as did Gillian which is why she wrote it Ah, apologies. I hadn't seen the press release, and I read it as she was saying Murray had done so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 They did - did you not see the Labour Party press release. I also had fold on twitter saying exactly that as did Gillian which is why she wrote it ""None of us came out of the interview shouting "Holy crap! the SNP want us to support the Bedroom Tax!"" when did labour go through the interview? They didn't, Craig Murray did and he didn't come out shouting about bedroom tax support from the SNP. Weird how everyone seemed to think he wouldn't be MP material after the fact, not before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 ""None of us came out of the interview shouting "Holy crap! the SNP want us to support the Bedroom Tax!"" when did labour go through the interview? They didn't, Craig Murray did and he didn't come out shouting about bedroom tax support from the SNP. Weird how everyone seemed to think he wouldn't be MP material after the fact, not before. Gillian wasn't having a go at Murray for that, she was having a go at Blair Mcdougall etc so no idea what your point is.. And I thought he wasn't MP material before - but as it isn't on You Tube...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) Gillian wasn't having a go at Murray for that, she was having a go at Blair Mcdougall etc so no idea what your point is.. And I thought he wasn't MP material before - but as it isn't on You Tube...... She should write what she means then, cause as it's written she implies someone comes out of an interview shouting about SNP support for bedroom tax, this event only happened in her writing, not in reality. It would be fantasy if a novel, however since it's an argument it becomes a straw-man fallacy, i.e. arguing a point that doesn't exist. Any other issues i have i'll take up with the organ grinder(her) as opposed to the monkey(you) though. save you having to think for yourself......... Edited December 29, 2014 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 She should write what she means then, cause as it's written she implies someone comes out of an interview shouting about SNP support for bedroom tax, this event only happened in her writing, not in reality. It would be fantasy if a novel, however since it's an argument it becomes a straw-man fallacy, i.e. arguing a point that doesn't exist. ? I think it's quite clear what she meant I know others who gave an answer which said that the question was moot as the SNP would never support the Bedroom Tax and proceeded to give a full answer as to why this was the case. They and I passed vetting. None of us came out of the interview shouting "Holy crap! the SNP want us to support the Bedroom Tax!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 ? I think it's quite clear what she meant I know others who gave an answer which said that the question was moot as the SNP would never support the Bedroom Tax and proceeded to give a full answer as to why this was the case. They and I passed vetting. None of us came out of the interview shouting "Holy crap! the SNP want us to support the Bedroom Tax!" Indeed So do I. Labour is not "us" It's hardly a big point though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) Indeed So do I. Labour is not "us" It's hardly a big point though. I believe she was being sarcastic - emphasised by the exclamation mark at the end of the sentence ? Edited December 30, 2014 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Ah, apologies. I hadn't seen the press release, and I read it as she was saying Murray had done so. she is writing that. The amount of sophistry summoned to "manage" the non-selection of Murray is astonishing and level of partisanship worrying. Considering that absolutely none is needed to justify the choice. The fact others are eschewing their own thinking and sub-contracting it out to folk who use sophistry and strawman fallacies should be a cause for concern as well. It's hardly a big point, but other folk were making a discussion of what was meant so i just took the same action and gave my own opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I believe she was being sarcastic - emphasised by the exclamation mark at the end of the sentence ? So you think sarcasm, Lamia thinks it was labour, and you state "it's quite clear what she meant", See lol... since when did an exclamation mark ever mean sarcasm? the shit folk just invent in their heads.... roflmao immense... here was me thinking exclamation marks were to be used to wait for it... exclaim. You're thinking of script writing which uses (!) as a means to denote sarcasm in text. So we have 3 different interpretations from 4 people. To repeat this isn't really a worthwhile debate anyway. He's not been picked , spat the dummy. No doubt he was treated rather better in his mind when he was more useful in the yes campaign but the SNP is separate organisation which is less of a broad church than the YES campaign was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelk Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 The amount of people I talk to now who place the Scottish 'Nationalist' Party in the same part of their brains as the French NF, the Italian Northern League, the 'English' UKIP is getting a bit disturbing. I should add these are Europeans I'm talking to. There's no way any Brit has heard of political parties outside of the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) So you think sarcasm, Lamia thinks it was labour, and you state "it's quite clear what she meant", I don't think it was just Labour and said so in my post. There were some Yes socialist saying the same - I think her point was covering everyone of them and it was a sarcastic point trying to demonstrate what a ridiculous conclusion it was for any of them to reach. I think her point was extremely clear. Edited December 30, 2014 by Lamia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 There is a comment in the comments section about his autobiography and if true makes me doubly glad he wasn't selected and puts me clean off him - certainly from thins and other things it seems to me he would lose some female votes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 The amount of people I talk to now who place the Scottish 'Nationalist' Party in the same part of their brains as the French NF, the Italian Northern League, the 'English' UKIP is getting a bit disturbing. I should add these are Europeans I'm talking to. There's no way any Brit has heard of political parties outside of the UK. That north brit cow who called Salmond a Nazi was unforgivable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I don't think it was just Labour and said so in my post. There were some Yes socialist saying the same - I think her point was covering everyone of them and it was a sarcastic point trying to demonstrate what a ridiculous conclusion it was for any of them to reach. I think her point was extremely clear. "None of us came out of the interview shouting "Holy crap! the SNP want us to support the Bedroom Tax!" Scottish labour, yes socialists, never came out of an interview for selection. She is talking about people coming out out of the selection interview, scottish labour nor yes socialist came out of the selection interview. I also think her point was extremely clear They did - did you not see the Labour Party press release. I also had fold on twitter saying exactly that as did Gillian which is why she wrote it "I don't think it was just Labour and said so in my post." Where? Looking closely you have the words "also had fold on twitter", which on inspection might mean yes socialist if i knew Fold was a name or something. Anyway we both think the message is clear and it's a minor point, i've stated why i think it is the way it is by highlighting the relevant words and linking them to the other words in context. Noy much else i can do to set out my reasoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 I'm getting a wee bit lost with all of this. Can somebody tell me of somebody else has been selected to be candidate for this constituency? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Kristofer Keane @KristoferKeane @BletherEmbra @WingsScotland This is why I'll never be an SNP candidate. They asked if I'd consider grilling sausage and I was like HELL NO. Murray's first word was No, then he explained why. All this he only said "NO" without explanation is clear sophistry. Think for yourself, read everything, 140 characters can't teach you much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) I'm getting a wee bit lost with all of this. Can somebody tell me of somebody else has been selected to be candidate for this constituency? Are you asking for us to tell you "of somebody else who has been selected" or "If somebody else has been selected" Either way i don't know. Edited December 30, 2014 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Are you asking for us to tell you "of somebody else who has been selected" or "If somebody else has been selected" Either way i don't know. Aye, I typed "o" instead of "i". Spelling does matter sometimes. I was just being lazy and hoping somebody would know the answer. I have since worked it out for myself though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPROAR Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 she is writing that. The amount of sophistry summoned to "manage" the non-selection of Murray is astonishing and level of partisanship worrying. Considering that absolutely none is needed to justify the choice. The fact others are eschewing their own thinking and sub-contracting it out to folk who use sophistry and strawman fallacies should be a cause for concern as well. It's hardly a big point, but other folk were making a discussion of what was meant so i just took the same action and gave my own opinion. Just spent the evening with CM.... he loves Highland Park (and then some), he is funny and he loves the snp....... nothing to report...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Just spent the evening with CM.... he loves Highland Park (and then some), he is funny and he loves the snp....... nothing to report...... He has a funny way of showing it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 8, 2015 Author Share Posted February 8, 2015 He has a funny way of showing it I also love the SNP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 8, 2015 Author Share Posted February 8, 2015 I also love the SNP. Although in seriousness. There was an SNP candidate for North Ayrshire (he had to withdraw due to ill health) who lives and breaths SNP... Due to the independence side of the party. but if you think i'm critical of SNP policy you should hear him . If he was selected he planned to start a visible left wing group of the party, much like Labour Left, to combat the Right Wingedness of the party Hierarchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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