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[Lamia]

I said what I said. You pick the best candidate for the job irrespective of what sex they are not because of it. That is equality.

Are you saying if need be you would pick a less competent female over a more competent man just to make it 50/50?

That has been what has been happening up until now but the other way around and since equality is not happening natuaral then yes until it becomes the norm.

[thplinth]

That has been what has been happening up until now but the other way around and since equality is not happening natuaral then yes until it becomes the norm.

Wow lunacy. And your views about the perpetrators of sexism is sexist. You are punishing men for holding women back but how much of it down to your sex.

I saw this yesterday...

Male TV presenter wears same suit for a year – does anyone notice?

Australian TV anchor Karl Stefanovic has been wearing the same blue suit to make a point about the ways in which his female colleagues are judged. What we learned hardly came as a surprise – but it can’t be said enough

What would happen if a high-profile TV presenter wore the same suit every day for a year? It’s a question that we now have an answer to, thanks to the efforts of Karl Stefanovic, a presenter from Australia. Unsurprisingly, the answer is: nothing.

Stefanovic, who co-presents Channel Nine’s Today show with Lisa Wilkinson, has been wearing the same blue suit – day in, day out, except for a few trips to the dry cleaner - to make a point about the ways in which his female colleagues are judged. “No one has noticed,” he said. “No one gives a shit.”

Last November, Wilkinson, who used to be the editor of women’s magazine Cleo, gave the Andrew Olle media lecture in which she talked about the expectations placed on women in public life. “Today’s media landscape, particularly for women, is one now so focused on the glossy and the glamorous, it often eclipses and undermines everything else,” she told the audience. “When you’re a woman doing breakfast TV, you quickly learn the sad truth that what you wear can sometimes generate a bigger reaction than even any political interview you ever do.” She recounted a reader’s letter in which a viewer told her to “get some style” before reading her reply to that letter: “Please include suggested colours, sleeve lengths, skirt shapes, your preference for prints, fabrics, weights, jackets versus blouse et cetera,” she wrote back. Wilkinson also stipulated some conditions for the clothes her unsolicited would-be stylist could select: they had to be comfortable, not too revealing, generously cut to fit both her bust as well as her petite frame, and they they couldn’t clash with her co-presenter’s ties or the couch. In the audience, Stefanovic laughed and applauded – and an idea was born. He began wearing the same blue suit that same week, and after a month of doing so, told his co-host of his experiment. They waited for the viewer letters – and the sirens from the fashion police – complaining about his overworked suit, of course, but none came.

“I’m judged on my interviews, my appalling sense of humour – on how I do my job, basically,” Stefanovic told the Sydney Morning Herald. “Whereas women are quite often judged on what they’re wearing or how their hair is. Women, they wear the wrong colour and they get pulled up.”

It’s fair to say one part of the population was already aware of this phenomenon, but clearly, it can’t be said enough. Much like the street harassment videos and the work of projects such as Everyday Sexism, these kinds of experiments are merely neon-signed landmarks in a world that is often wilfully oblivious to the ways in which half the population is diminished. What they highlight is the way in which certain behaviours are not only endemic and normalised, but actually actively encouraged by the culture. It is telling that the customary “Who are you wearing?” asked on red carpets all year round is rarely extended to the men in attendance.

It is treated as a niche, self-indulgent interest but fashion is culture. It is as fun and as necessary to the cultural soup as say, sport or music, as well as being an industry estimated in 2012 to be worth $900bn to the world economy. According to Wilkinson, most of the emails commenting on her on-air sartorial decisions have come from women. “I don’t know how we’ve got into that space,” she said on Today. It’s not too hard to figure out: in a toxic climate, where a woman’s appearance is often deemed the only noteworthy thing about her, it is inevitable that the harshest critics may also be women. Unlearning sexist behaviour is a job for us all, men and women alike.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/womens-blog/2014/nov/17/male-tv-presenter-same-suit-year-female-colleagues-judged

You like to blame men but as I said at the start most of us genuinely don't give a shit what sex you are. And thus I find your reverse prejudice quite horrifying to be honest . And as the example above suggests it is often women who have the sexist problem with other women. So punishing innocent men for your sex's sins is not exactly fair either is it.

edit: and how does selecting less competent women over more competent men (or less competent men over more competent women) to meet a sex quota improve anything for anyone? If anything it will slowly start to degrade the quality of our society as poor decision making creeps in. Just pick the best person for the job irrespective damn it, that is the only system that makes any sense.

Edited November 24, 2014 by thplinth

[thplinth]

That has been what has been happening up until now but the other way around and since equality is not happening natuaral then yes until it becomes the norm.

I recognize your goals are noble here Lamia but trying to fight discrimination with more discrimination is not the way.

This for me a great example of how the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Good goal, bad idea for achieving it.

[Scunnered]

Any indication that Nicola will change her stance on TTIP? Or does she still welcome it?

[Orraloon]

Any indication that Nicola will change her stance on TTIP? Or does she still welcome it?

When did she say that?

[Guest flumax]

Any indication that Nicola will change her stance on TTIP? Or does she still welcome it?

Not seen anything directly but the SG "is extremely concerned"

[Guest flumax]

Any indication that Nicola will change her stance on TTIP? Or does she still welcome it?

Petition for you to sign if you are that way inclined https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/page/s/nicola-sturgeon-stand-up-to-ttip#petition

[Scunnered]

When did she say that?

Brussels last year.

[Flure]

Not seen anything directly but the SG "is extremely concerned"

The way it's reported in that article suggests that Salmond was welcoming it at one point.

[Guest flumax]

Brussels last year.

https://www.scotreferendum.com/2013/02/speech-to-european-policy-centre-in-brussels-26-february-2013/

[Scunnered]

Not seen anything directly but the SG "is extremely concerned"

Encouraging at least. Will see what she says.

[Orraloon]

Brussels last year.

Did you over hear her saying it in the pub? Are you sure she wasn't talking about T in the Park?

[deecie]

That petition doesn't make sense.

She said that she'd only agree to it if the NHS was exempt, yet the first thing that petition says that it'll lead to "further privatisation of our NHS".

These are somewhat at odds with eachother.

[Guest flumax]

Did you over hear her saying it in the pub? Are you sure she wasn't talking about T in the Park?

See:

https://www.scotreferendum.com/2013/02/speech-to-european-policy-centre-in-brussels-26-february-2013/

[dipped flake]

Any indication that Nicola will change her stance on TTIP? Or does she still welcome it?

do you think Alex Salmond is right to question certain aspects of the TTIP agreement

[Scunnered]

do you think Alex Salmond is right to question certain aspects of the TTIP agreement

To an extent. He, and Nicola would be right to oppose the entire agreement.

[Guest flumax]

To an extent. He, and Nicola would be right to oppose the entire agreement.

Could rightly oppose it, but as a region of a member state, what could they honestly do if it goes through. They've as much influence as you or me.

[stocky]

this Agreement could allow companies the right to SUE the govt if they don't allow private firms to compete with Govt Firms,

allowing private firms in some areas could be a good be a good idea ,eg. Ferries in Scotland

But this is being driven at a UK level to allow Health Firms access to the NHS, a massive pot of money .

It is Cameron's policy to have 45% of NHS in private hands in the English NHS , so not a major issue in England where privatisation of the NHS is proceeding rapidly,

But in Scotland we only have a small %age of service provided by semi private firms, the NHS is rum by the Scottish Govt, which is voted in by the people and apart from a very mall %age of the population, we want the HNS to remain in public hands.

If this agreement is signed , the Scottish Govt could get sued and the massive costs to defend public health care in court, could be prohibitive, and we would get privatisation of the NHS, and the Water 'by the back door'

In other words this could end up privatising the NHS and Scotland wont be able to do anything about it.

Another Union Dividend.

[Scunnered]

Could rightly oppose it, but as a region of a member state, what could they honestly do if it goes through. They've as much influence as you or me.

Indeed, but opposing it is better than 'I oppose the inclusion of the NHS, but I'm wet for the rest'* which she tweeted 15 minutes ago.

*Slight paraphrasing.

[thplinth]

(Is the candidate pool Nicola is selecting from roughly 50/50 male / female or is she forcing this 50/50 ratio out form a non 50/50 pool of candidates?)

anyone know the ratio of SNP MSP(?) candidates for these jobs, i.e female:male?

edit: if it was 33:67 say that would be an indicator of an anti-male sexist selection policy no? (no idea what the real ratio is BTW.) If it was any less than 33/67, 25/75 say that would be indicating deep and massive anti-male sexism at work.

Edited November 25, 2014 by thplinth

[stocky]

something fishy afoot, this from the SNP branch..

''There is a strange email being sent out be the normally reputable 38 degrees asking for signatures to help force the FM to oppose TTIP. Sounds fine so far however the wording is :-
"New First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is currently backing a dodgy EU-US trade deal which will take power out of Scotland, and put it in the hands of big American business"

This is a lie and I would urge anyone who gets this email to reply to 38 degrees asking why they are sending this out ''

Prob to portray Nicola on the wrong side of this... I smell Murphy...

[Scunnered]

What's the lie? Asking genuinely, Nicola has spoken highly of the agreement. Is it because it doesn't specify that she wants the NHS excluded?

[stocky]

''For those asking about #TTIP, I share concerns about ISDS and oppose any inclusion of the NHS. @scotgov has made this clear to UK gov.''

a tweet from Nicola..

So above post is not truthful, the SG has asked passed their concerns on to the UK govt.

How good would it be that our Govt could just do what it is elected to do without asking another Govt for permission.,...

[Scunnered]

''For those asking about #TTIP, I share concerns about ISDS and oppose any inclusion of the NHS. @scotgov has made this clear to UK gov.''

a tweet from Nicola..

So above post is not truthful, the SG has asked passed their concerns on to the UK govt.

How good would it be that our Govt could just do what it is elected to do without asking another Govt for permission.,...

The above post is not truthful? I was asking a question. As far as I know Nicola has never publicly opposed TTIP, only stated that the NHS should be exempt which as far as I know was the same as Salmond. This is reiterated in her tweet above. I am merely asking if she has stated opposition that I may have missed.

Edit: I'm still not sure what you're accusing Murphy of?

Edited November 25, 2014 by Scunnered

[stocky]

the tweet was from Nicola... so she is against the NHS bit of the TITP.... as is the Scot Gov.

The lie, or accusation is that the Scot Gov/Nicola is all for TITP, although they are against part of it.

They are asking a Govt, the UK, to change things on their behalf although that govt ,the UK , love the idea and are unlikely to do anything about it.

u must be able to see this. not being cheeky....

I am accusing Murphy of trying to pour some dirt on Nicola... I have no proof of this.. but anything that can undermine her will only benefit him

Basically I am accusing Murphy of being a sleekit wee khunt.....

Edited November 25, 2014 by stocky