Toepoke Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Turnout? Approx 40% is what I've seen (which would actually make it a smaller Yes vote than ours' was - 32% compared to Scotland's 37% of the electorate)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 The lower turnout is because it's not an official vote. A lot of people won't have bothered voting because of that. Of those who voted, it is a clear majority for an independent Catalunya. now they need to build on that and legitimise it. They have a more balanced media that we do, which clearly helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfieMoon Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 In simple terms - the state wins again. They make it an unofficial vote which means that No voters don't turn out as they have nothing at stake. Undoubtedly some would be Yes voters don't bother either and you then have a poor turnout in what is essentially an unofficial referendum and the Yes vote doesn't get over 50% of the electorate and it devalues the whole thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/10/catalans-vow-push-independence-80-favour-split "Pro-independence groups hoped that a large turnout would prompt central government to negotiate tax and political autonomy with the region or pave the way for a formal referendum." I saw somewhere that the Catalan president said that he may look at a formal referendum in "early 2015" on the back of these results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 If you are being critical you could argue that it is easy to vote for independence when it is an unofficial referendum you are voting in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/10/catalans-vow-push-independence-80-favour-split "Pro-independence groups hoped that a large turnout would prompt central government to negotiate tax and political autonomy with the region or pave the way for a formal referendum." I saw somewhere that the Catalan president said that he may look at a formal referendum in "early 2015" on the back of these results. This was supposed to be a formal and official referendum but the Spanish government wouldn't allow it. Can't see that changing next year becasue of anything. A large turnout and yes vote would make them less likely to support a formal referendum and a low turnout means they can ignore it. Nothing would make the Spanish government support a formal referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watsoniansfan Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 So let's say Catalonia gets it's wish and goes independent. If that's what the majority want then fine, and Madrid would be foolish to try to suppress that desire - didnt turn out well last time. But the big unknown for me is where would FC Barcelona play. Spain would be well within their rights to say "see you later". They could withdraw from the Imperialist La Liga and set up a Catalan league with Espanyol instead (who would presumably change ther name). As we learned, independence means walking away from certain things you take for granted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stapes Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 As we learned, independence means walking away from certain things you take for granted. No, we didn't learn that. It was threatened, but the likelihood is that these were baseless threats and a compromise would be reached for financial reasons. Same goes in Spain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Barca already have in place an agreement to join Ligue 1. And anyway, you're allowed 'historic' foreign teams, like Berwick, Cardiff & Swansea to name 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Barca already have in place an agreement to join Ligue 1. And anyway, you're allowed 'historic' foreign teams, like Berwick, Cardiff & Swansea to name 3. Plenty of non-uk presidance also http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_football_clubs_playing_in_the_league_of_another_country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilScotsman Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Barca already have in place an agreement to join Ligue 1. And anyway, you're allowed 'historic' foreign teams, like Berwick, Cardiff & Swansea to name 3. Ligue 1? The French top flight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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