adamntg Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 We are heading into Project Brave, the latest SFA project to save the game. We have two huge football clubs and several other very big ones, all with decent training facilities and enthusiastic supporters pumping money in. We produce some reasonable young football players, no more than that. I was watching Wales v Ireland last night and the thought occurred to me - who is developing their young players? Ok, Wales have two rich clubs, but that's a relatively new phenomenon. They don't really care that much for football, they don't have the football infrastructure or culture we have in Scotland. As for Ireland - how many of their team last night played in the League of Ireland? McClean did, and maybe that guy with the funny beard. Who is producing their international players? And can they do it for us please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Hunt Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Or, even better, look at Iceland- again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Jacques Hunt said: Or, even better, look at Iceland- again. Ah, but Iceland are raising their own players on indoor and Astro pitches, with dedicated, paid community coaches. I don't think Ireland are doing that - where do their players come from? What is the advantage of our academies and Performance schools? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I think the better Irish players are taken over to England at age 15 or whatever... Ir they just poach players from other countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryWood34 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Wales have a Real Madrid player. They has an easier group. They finished with less points than us. Lets not look at Wales and try and copy anything they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggycoo Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 44 minutes ago, adamntg said: We are heading into Project Brave, the latest SFA project to save the game. We have two huge football clubs and several other very big ones, all with decent training facilities and enthusiastic supporters pumping money in. We produce some reasonable young football players, no more than that. I was watching Wales v Ireland last night and the thought occurred to me - who is developing their young players? Ok, Wales have two rich clubs, but that's a relatively new phenomenon. They don't really care that much for football, they don't have the football infrastructure or culture we have in Scotland. As for Ireland - how many of their team last night played in the League of Ireland? McClean did, and maybe that guy with the funny beard. Who is producing their international players? And can they do it for us please. I would go as far to say that Welsh and Irish players are generally developed in the EPL or England in a broader sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, shaggycoo said: I would go as far to say that Welsh and Irish players are generally developed in the EPL or England in a broader sense I think you're right. They're all in the English system from age 16. So - are we actually benefiting from our best young players playing in Scotland from 16-21? Would they be better served piggy-backing on moneybags down south? Is the recent Welsh, Irish and Nornirish success down to the money washing around England? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, adamntg said: I think you're right. They're all in the English system from age 16. So - are we actually benefiting from our best young players playing in Scotland from 16-21? Would they be better served piggy-backing on moneybags down south? Is the recent Welsh, Irish and Nornirish success down to the money washing around England? The Welsh, Irish and Nornirish managers do their research and scout their players properly, they create a team who will run through walls for each other. We have a manager who put our game down, puts our players down and picks players based on who they play for instead of their talent, character and attitude. thats the diffirence Edited October 10, 2017 by vanderark14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goozay Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Scottish system priorities maximum coin from the game, mainly via The Old Firm. Short term goals are king, long term development and qualifying for tournaments aren't really part of the "plan". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, vanderark14 said: The Welsh, Irish and Nornirish managers do their research and scout their players properly, they create a team who will run through walls for each other. We have a manager who put our game down, puts our players down and picks players based on who they play for instead of their talent, character and attitude. thats the diffirence This. I keep referring back to NI but we have a limited squad of players who all know what they are doing. MON has got a reasonably settled team/squad and if there are suspensions or injuries the replacements slip seamlessly into the side. For far too long our players treated NI games as a 3 day piss up with their mates and MON seems to have instilled a bit of discipline into them. If I'm being brutally honest I just don't see that in a Strachan side. Inconsistency in selection and a team based on what league they play in would be my main worry for you fans. If Burke, Frazer, Gauld, McGinn, Cummings etc were from NI they'd be in our squad and most probably starting. All your midfielders seem very similar. Is there much difference in Morrison, Snodgrass, Brown, Fletcher, Dorrans, McAurthur and Bannon? To me nobody drives the team forward and all seem one paced. Chris Martin is as slow as me ffs. There are some talented players playing in Scotland and outside the English top flight but until the manager changes his selection policy or the manager changes your going to have the same problems for euro 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 2 hours ago, vanderark14 said: and picks players based on who they play for instead of their talent, character and attitude. To be fair to Strachan, he hasn’t picked players like Ross McCormack when there’s been a clamour for him and he’s been in the EPL or championship. People perhaps blame a personality clash with Strachan rather than the possibility Strachan doesn’t like their character/attitude for good reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teecee- Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Are our kids coached properly at all when compared to say Iceland ? The improvement in the performance of Celtic players can be put down to much better coaching. Makes me think our whole system not fit for purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGizzard Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) From the Ireland panel last night, James McClean, Sean Maguire, Kevin Long, Daryl Murphy, Wes Hoolahan, Shane Long, Daryl Horgan, David Meyler and Stephen Ward all came through the League of Ireland, as did Seamus Coleman. Randolph, Brady, Whelan, O'Shea,Hendrick, Duffy + another 4 were born in Ireland but started their senior careers in England. The other 10 were born and reared in England (or Scotland.....). Edited October 10, 2017 by KingGizzard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 Looks like I'm talking shite. Again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borojock Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 i believe the majority of the welsh players are trained and developed in the east side of the country in the region called England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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