Auld_Reekie Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 FYI: 789,024 postal votes cast in total. 21% of total votes cast. Margin of win less than 400,000 votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 Yep I dont think the issue here is whether its a conspiracy or not, I think it now centres around breaches of process which may have been against the law. It may come down to whether the yes camp wish to pursue these opr whether they accept it made little difference to the final outcome. But if the analysis of the postal votes caused the "vow" to be produced, that to me is corrupt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 What was the result of just the postal votes do you know? Haven't a clue. I dont think such a breakdown would exist (which is convenient for any fraud). They were counted on the night but Im not aware of any breakdown. IMO, rather than being concerned with the vote being invalid, it is important this opportunity is taken to prove the weaknesses in the postal vote process and if possible demonstrate it has been abused. It was clearly abused in Glenrothes and nothing was done about it. It is unaccepted for this referendum to pass and the same weaknesses be allowed to persist. I also meant to add, another suspicion I had was Fife not counting by constituency like most other regions. Does anyone know what other regions didn't count along constituency lines? Fife was one of the biggest regions in the referendum and they appear to have done it as one super count. I might be wrong, but this is likely to have loosened the process rather than tightened it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Regardless of the postal vote breakdown, it appears that an offence has been commited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 This, more than any of the other count issues, has legs. If the three tory parties, and we all know what s they are, knew the postal vote they could perhaps get their leaders to come up to Scotland with false promises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 If the three tory parties, and we all know what bunny rabbits they are, knew the postal vote they could perhaps get their leaders to come up to Scotland with false promises. Yep. Underlines why purdah needs to be more than a convention. Cannot have access to how voting is going or be able to change the terms of the vote after voting has begun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peever1745 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Due to the fact that better Together were allowed to see a sample of the postal votes in the weeks leading upto the vote and change tactics is very unfair and against the law.Therefor we should get a re vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 that, cut out the middleman and just declare independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 It will out if it is big. People are too stupid not to say anything. Look at ruth davidson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Let's be honest, the postal ballots sat in various rooms over Scotland overnight for around 4 weeks. There will have been countless opportunities and access to the ballot papers post-verification if those that wanted to desired it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacobite Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 If this is a runner then it will come out. I'm prepared to be corrected but as I understand it every vote is traceable and technically it would be possible to do an audit and paper trail of a sample of the votes to see if they tally with what people actually voted for. Thats is not fool proof either if papers have been counted and then replaced however it would then be possible to a do re count. I'm not into conspiracy theories and unless there is hard evidence nothing is going to come of any of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 The other critical aspect is that if the Tories knew did they also let their "friends" in the betting firms know. Hence why the odds were consistently nuts. People should be doing time over this. If the bookies were in on the secret then 10,000s of people have been robbed. Its that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 The other critical aspect is that if the Tories knew did they also let their "friends" in the betting firms know. Hence why the odds were consistently nuts. People should be doing time over this. If the bookies were in on the secret then 10,000s of people have been robbed. Its that simple. Yeap, that would be my concern. I seriouslay doubt if there was any major tampering going on, but the fact that some people had access to the results of the postal ballots...and that the bookies seemed to be aware of these results.....needs investigating. On a wider point, this is simply another example of the archaic, Victorian system that we use in the UK for voting. Make everyone carry and show photographic ID, and cut out postal voting....let's bring ourselves into the 21st century, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Definitely agree. Ill never forget the confidence from No politicians on the night of the vote. From just after 10pm, they knew they had won. YouGov's 99% certain that No had won just confirmed that confidence. It definitely stank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Yeap, that would be my concern. I seriouslay doubt if there was any major tampering going on, but the fact that some people had access to the results of the postal ballots...and that the bookies seemed to be aware of these results.....needs investigating. On a wider point, this is simply another example of the archaic, Victorian system that we use in the UK for voting. Make everyone carry and show photographic ID, and cut out postal voting....let's bring ourselves into the 21st century, please. I was conscious that I turned up at the polling station, gave an address and got handed a paper. There was no check in place to verify I was who I said I was. In fact they assumed who I was, as there was 2 names listed for my address, and I don't look like a Lisa. I did immediately think it would be fairly easy to "steal" someone's vote. Just by giving the address of someone of the same sex who hadn't voted yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) Twice oops Edited September 25, 2014 by sbcmfc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis_trap Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 the apparent pre-counting of postal votes now under police investigationhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29360366 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Och Aye Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 A few years back I would have dismissed these claims as paranoid nonsense. But Westminster has proven over and over again how devious they are. Just a short time ago I heard people say the Jimmy Saville paedophile scandal went right to the top in Westminster. I remember thinking these people were idiots. Well I was wrong and these people were 100% correct. I'll never close my mind like that again. The establishment is capable of anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPROAR Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Definitely agree. Ill never forget the confidence from No politicians on the night of the vote. From just after 10pm, they knew they had won. YouGov's 99% certain that No had won just confirmed that confidence. It definitely stank. listen stop this... I knew at 9.15 when the local polling supervisor told me the turnout was 96% already. The rich and old in this affluent area were tuning out in HUGE numbers and I knew there was no way we could match this. At Ingliston, the first samples taken from counting the postal votes were coming through at 5 past 10. We were losing big on postal votes too. Our telephone canvassing in the week up to the election saw undecideds moving to NO - this had not happened before. Before I got in the hall I knew it was over. I saw Carmichael doing a victory interview at 10 past 10 on the basis of the early info. This is how it works. nothing dodgy happened on any scale. Tories peeking at the postal ballots, yes and they should get their arse kicked. Isolated incidents of idiots general faffing around - yes. Referendum nicked - no we lost... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Aye fair enough, Im not suggesting it was nicked. I accept the defeat but I still cannot reconcile the over-confidence even if there was a last minute movement toward No. Im still bitter. Get aff ma back ffs. Ill be fine in a day or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 listen stop this... I knew at 9.15 when the local polling supervisor told me the turnout was 96% already. The rich and old in this affluent area were tuning out in HUGE numbers and I knew there was no way we could match this. At Ingliston, the first samples taken from counting the postal votes were coming through at 5 past 10. We were losing big on postal votes too. Our telephone canvassing in the week up to the election saw undecideds moving to NO - this had not happened before. Before I got in the hall I knew it was over. I saw Carmichael doing a victory interview at 10 past 10 on the basis of the early info. This is how it works. nothing dodgy happened on any scale. Tories peeking at the postal ballots, yes and they should get their arse kicked. Isolated incidents of idiots general faffing around - yes. Referendum nicked - no we lost... Excellent post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAteAllThePies Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Excellent post. Excellent pointing out of an excellent post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleboyblue Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I've not indulged in any of this vote rigging chat to date. I agree the videos going about are pretty meaningless but what about this issue about missing barcodes and serial numbers from ballot papers? Is is right they should have had these details on the back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Excellent pointing out of an excellent post. Excellent example of the antithesis of an excellent post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnie x Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I've not indulged in any of this vote rigging chat to date. I agree the videos going about are pretty meaningless but what about this issue about missing barcodes and serial numbers from ballot papers? Is is right they should have had these details on the back? My polling card certainly had a bar code on the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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