giblet Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 You're the only one I've seen so far to turn that interview into a negative. Great performance. T SNP privatised Scotrail? SNP privatised Calmac? Would like to give him the benefit of the doubt in that it was Murray or Dugdale briefing him these lies. Suspect he simply just doesnt give a shit about Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 T SNP privatised Scotrail? SNP privatised Calmac? Would like to give him the benefit of the doubt in that it was Murray or Dugdale briefing him these lies. Suspect he simply just doesnt give a shit about Scotland. Presumably Mr Marr immediately leapt in to correct and challenge him? Or maybe he doesn't know/care either? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernscum Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Presumably Mr Marr immediately leapt in to correct and challenge him? Or maybe he doesn't know/care either? I dare say if it had been misinformation on Tory policy then Marr would have been onto him in an instant. The fact it was misrepresentation of the SNP, he would have been happy to let slide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Sky News Newsdesk @SkyNewsBreak 47m47 minutes ago Update - #Labour will not debate Trident at the party's conference in Brighton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Scunnered after seeing the last post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) According to the Guardian/Observer, Labour's priorities are going to be: "important issues like the NHS, the refugee crisis, mental health and housing" Housing - 18.1% NHS - 15.93% Refugees - 15.87% Austerity - 11.38% Employment rights - 8.2% Mental health - 7.83% Defence (ie Trident) - 7.10% Social security - 5.61% Europe - 5.25% Rail - 2.62% Syria - 1.6% Licence fee - 0.76% I thought Jeremy's second top priority (after housing) was winning back Scotland and Wales. Presumably by addressing those issues, but not addressing Scotland as such... Edited September 27, 2015 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khana Lagur Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Presumably Mr Marr immediately leapt in to correct and challenge him? Or maybe he doesn't know/care either? Sure Corbyn said he'd be in Scotland next week. I'm confident he'll take the opportunity to set the record straight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Finally, I just saw the clip. He didn't actually identify himself as being a unionist as such. Sure, he said some anti SNP things - as any other rival party would. On united Ireland, he said it's up to the people of Ireland. On indyref2, he said he'd stand by Kez and Scottish Labour - but their position seemed to be to have a debate on it. So there is wiggle room there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 27, 2015 Author Share Posted September 27, 2015 Scunnered after seeing the last post Not really. It's disappointing it won't be debated, it lost out to Austerity in the Trade Union vote and it came way down the list in the constituency vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 27, 2015 Author Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) Sure Corbyn said he'd be in Scotland next week. I'm confident he'll take the opportunity to set the record straight "The SNP denied the Trade Unions request to delay the franchising of Scotrail while a public solution could be found, instead hastening through the tendering to useless fannies. When the next batch of ferry routes are due for tender in May 2016 the SNP will continue to award the routes to private ownership as their recent record dictates.".Jobs a good un! Edited September 27, 2015 by Scunnered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Not really. It's disappointing it won't be debated, it lost out to Austerity in the Trade Union vote and it came way down the list in the constituency vote. I suppose they have plenty time to debate it in future conferences. I mean, they aren't going to be in a position of power to do anything about it for at least another 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 "The SNP denied the Trade Unions request to delay the franchising of Scotrail while a public solution could be found, instead hastening through the tendering to useless fannies. When the next batch of ferry routes are due for tender in May 2016 the SNP will continue to award the routes to private ownership as their recent record dictates.". Jobs a good un! I think Rev Stu must be reading the TAMB http://wingsoverscotland.com/advice-for-jeremy-corbyn/#more-75981 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 27, 2015 Author Share Posted September 27, 2015 I think Rev Stu must be reading the TAMB http://wingsoverscotland.com/advice-for-jeremy-corbyn/#more-75981 I'm not sure he is. None of that addressed what I said. Stu also told a porkie. Ferries are lifeline services and can be exempt from the EU tendering process. It's just that the SNP who would do anything to avoid private tendering... Didn't do anything to avoid private tendering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 I'm not sure he is. None of that addressed what I said. Stu also told a porkie. Ferries are lifeline services and can be exempt from the EU tendering process. It's just that the SNP who would do anything to avoid private tendering... Didn't do anything to avoid private tendering. Are you saying this bit is wrong? “[The SNP] were behind privatisation of ScotRail.” Hang on, what? Britain’s railways (including Scotland’s) were privatised by the Tories under the Railways Act 1993. The Scottish Parliament didn’t even exist at the time. Privatisation/nationalisation of railways is reserved to Westminster under the same act – it’s totally outwith the Scottish Government’s control. It’s currently forbidden by law for the public sector to own/operate Britain’s railways except in emergencies. (We suppose “were behind” could be taken to mean “supported”, but as far as we can establish the SNP opposed the privatisation in 1993. What we can say for sure is that they voted the same way as Jeremy Corbyn in all the Commons divisions on the bill, and also that Labour didn’t repeal the Act during 13 years in power from 1997-2010.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 27, 2015 Author Share Posted September 27, 2015 Are you saying this bit is wrong? [The SNP] were behind privatisation of ScotRail. Hang on, what? Britains railways (including Scotlands) were privatised by the Tories under the Railways Act 1993. The Scottish Parliament didnt even exist at the time. Privatisation/nationalisation of railways is reserved to Westminster under the same act its totally outwith the Scottish Governments control. Its currently forbidden by law for the public sector to own/operate Britains railways except in emergencies. (We suppose were behind could be taken to mean supported, but as far as we can establish the SNP opposed the privatisation in 1993. What we can say for sure is that they voted the same way as Jeremy Corbyn in all the Commons divisions on the bill, and also that Labour didnt repeal the Act during 13 years in power from 1997-2010.) No... But as I said, it never addressed anything I said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuNsTeR Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 more porky pies from the Red Tories ... this time from the idiot shadow Chancellor John McDonnell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 more porky pies from the Red Tories ... this time from the idiot shadow Chancellor John McDonnell Where's the lie? The only one I'm not sure on is the school one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Where's the lie? The only one I'm not sure on is the school one. well saying they are anti austerity is a lie... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 well saying they are anti austerity is a lie... Is it? I could agree that attacking the SNP is ill advised when Labour don't currently have power. But I would say saying "we are anti-austerity" when they're policy reflects that is acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuNsTeR Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 where's the lies you say ... the whole speech is one big porky pie after another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Is it? I could agree that attacking the SNP is ill advised when Labour don't currently have power. But I would say saying "we are anti-austerity" when they're policy reflects that is acceptable. when they vote against austerity, i will believe they are anti austerity taliking about it and voting against it are 2 completely different things. they say they are.... lets see.. they havent been so far... Corbyn -' I am anti Nuclear'... - well , not really, i am too scared to debate it, so i will just say I am... they will be judged when they prove they do what they say,..,,.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Is it? I could agree that attacking the SNP is ill advised when Labour don't currently have power. But I would say saying "we are anti-austerity" when they're policy reflects that is acceptable. Have they got any policies yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 where's the lies you say ... the whole speech is one big porky pie after another No it's not? The SNP have twice voted against the living wage in the Scottish Parliament. They then missed their own deadline for seeking EU advice on the matter, they've also voted against rent controls. It was discussed at length on here at the time. Don't believe everything you read on Wings... Especially when he's relying on his memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 when they vote against austerity, i will believe they are anti austerity taliking about it and voting against it are 2 completely different things. they say they are.... lets see.. they havent been so far... Corbyn -' I am anti Nuclear'... - well , not really, i am too scared to debate it, so i will just say I am... they will be judged when they prove they do what they say,..,,.. Your expedience knows no bounds comrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 No it's not? The SNP have twice voted against the living wage in the Scottish Parliament. They then missed their own deadline for seeking EU advice on the matter, they've also voted against rent controls. It was discussed at length on here at the time. Don't believe everything you read on Wings... Especially when he's relying on his memory. This is classic Whatabouttery Very poor Scunnered Very poor indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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