Toepoke Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Football has no place at the Olympics. As mentioned it's been part of the Olympics since 1900 and in the womens' game has more prestige than the World Cup. Sporting UDI. I think the majority of Scots would support that. Probably right, although I think most of our elite athletes would disagree... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 We do not currently meet the criteria to enter Eurovision. Probably just as well, could you imagine who BBC Scotland would put up. Jackie Bird backed by Phil and Ally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 I get what you are saying, I just don't think there is the appetite. Particularly in Athletics, Cycling, etc. J I think there would be. Especially in tennis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDange Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Why do some sports like football, golf & snooker split GB into the 4 nations but other sports don't? Is this an issue for each sport's governing body to decide? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Why do some sports like football, golf & snooker split GB into the 4 nations but other sports don't? Is this an issue for each sport's governing body to decide? Yes, although a common link would be that they tend to be sports which originated in the UK and had individual "home nation" associations before the founding of any international federation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Yes, although a common link would be that they tend to be sports which originated in the UK and had individual "home nation" associations before the founding of any international federation. What about the Scottish Karate Federation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Probably right, although I think most of our elite athletes would disagree... Probably. But then that would be tough tits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 What about the Scottish Karate Federation? Which part of the words "tend to" don't you understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Which part of the words "tend to" don't you understand. Lo entiendo completamente, gracias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Probably. But then that would be tough tits. What are the rules for having an olympic team? As many non-independent states have them. Imagine funding would be the biggest issue for the Scottish government. And if the 'big' athletes would rather play for GB, then who cares. Lynsey Sharp said she would continue to represent GB if it was a yes vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) What are the rules for having an olympic team? As many non-independent states have them. Imagine funding would be the biggest issue for the Scottish government. And if the 'big' athletes would rather play for GB, then who cares. Lynsey Sharp said she would continue to represent GB if it was a yes vote. That's my argument. Every little bit we can take we should and before we know it we'll be defacto independent. Anyone want to guess which football team Lynsey supports? Edited August 6, 2015 by adamntg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) That's my argument. Every little bit we can take we should and before we know it we'll be defacto independent. Anyone want to guess which football team Lynsey supports? West of Scotland FC? http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/13573605.Three_West_of_Scotland_football_fans_jailed_after_Edinburgh_disturbance/ Edited August 6, 2015 by weekevie04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Laud Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 What are the rules for having an olympic team? As many non-independent states have them. Imagine funding would be the biggest issue for the Scottish government. And if the 'big' athletes would rather play for GB, then who cares. Lynsey Sharp said she would continue to represent GB if it was a yes vote. Did she,thats another on the list thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) Although Lynsey's dad was in Sport for Yes. Not quite such blatant claims as hers but the likes of Chris Hoy, Michael Jamieson, Eilidh Child and Eve Muirhead have said they would struggle to achieve what they did without UK funding... Edited August 6, 2015 by Toepoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Although Lynsey's dad was in Sport for Yes. Not quite such blatant claims as hers but the likes of Chris Hoy, Michael Jamieson, Eilidh Child and Eve Muirhead have said they would struggle to achieve what they did without UK funding... Because we won't have money in an iScotland. Have they considered there may be far fewer athletes to support in a smaller country and therefore less money goes further? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Although Lynsey's dad was in Sport for Yes. Not quite such blatant claims as hers but the likes of Chris Hoy, Michael Jamieson, Eilidh Child and Eve Muirhead have said they would struggle to achieve what they did without UK funding... I think that's really the nub of the problem, the way funding is provided for sports like Athletics, Swimming, Cycling and the like. The funding comes from a combination of Lottery and UK government cash and is routed through UK Sport to the various governing bodies and the athletes. The funding has two aims to provide income to athletes that means they can be full time and it allows the governing bodies to provide the facilities and staff for training programs. So you can see from an athletes perspective, their own "wages", their training and support facilities are all provided by the UK and it's pretty understandable that they think they'd struggle without that. There was an issue with having proper training infrastructure but the Commonwealth games has helped in that with the Velodrome, Tollcross, etc. Even if an independent Scotland provided an equivalent level of funding to Scottish athletes for certain sports they would undoubtedly be de prioritised, as others would have higher priority purely due to popularity. Given that Sport is supposed to be devolved, the way UK sport works just seems a bit wrong. It would be interesting to see how the funding breakdown to Scots, English, Irish and Welsh athletes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraveheartGordon Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 England & City Women's player Lucy Bronze has just posted this on Facebook & Twitter https://www.facebook.com/LucyBronzeOfficial/posts/604777962997723?_rdr=p No sympathies whatsoever,as far as I'm concerned my nation isn't represented in the olympics, finally a taste of their own medicine after years of being able to claim anything we do as British but independently claiming English sporting achievements as ''victories for England''. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgowmancity Posted August 7, 2015 Author Share Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) Given that Sport is supposed to be devolved, the way UK sport works just seems a bit wrong. It would be interesting to see how the funding breakdown to Scots, English, Irish and Welsh athletes. I think the problem with that is that the funding generally goes to the centres of excellence where the elite athletes then train/attend which generally happen to be in England. (Cycling in Manchester, Swimming in Plymouth - I think - and athletics at Loughborough) Edited August 7, 2015 by Glasgowmancity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I think the problem with that is that the funding generally goes to the centres of excellence where the elite athletes then train/attend which generally happen to be in England. (Cycling in Manchester, Swimming in Plymouth - I think - and athletics at Loughborough) I think that definitely reinforces the view that they'd be left on their own in iScotland. I don't pretend to understand the ins and outs of this but Judo seems to be bucking the trend. Something to do with either the coaching setup and/or funding meant that quite a few of the medalists in Glasgow had moved to Scotland and "signed" for Judo Scotland. I guess the reverse of what happened with Peter Nicol in Squash a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I think that definitely reinforces the view that they'd be left on their own in iScotland. I don't pretend to understand the ins and outs of this but Judo seems to be bucking the trend. Something to do with either the coaching setup and/or funding meant that quite a few of the medalists in Glasgow had moved to Scotland and "signed" for Judo Scotland. I guess the reverse of what happened with Peter Nicol in Squash a few years ago. Maybe we could have our own centres of excellence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 What are the rules for having an olympic team? As many non-independent states have them. Imagine funding would be the biggest issue for the Scottish government. And if the 'big' athletes would rather play for GB, then who cares. Lynsey Sharp said she would continue to represent GB if it was a yes vote. The rules were changed in 1996 and you have to be an independent state recognised by the International community. Kosovo was admitted in 2014. Kosovo is recognised as an independent state, Scotland is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 The rules were changed in 1996 and you have to be an independent state recognised by the International community. Kosovo was admitted in 2014. Kosovo is recognised as an independent state, Scotland is not. It is and it isn't. It's a disputed territory, only recognised by 108 members of the UN (56%) and not including China, Russia or India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 It is and it isn't. It's a disputed territory, only recognised by 108 members of the UN (56%) and not including China, Russia or India. So if Scotland declared UDI and 108 states recognised this but the rUK and U.S. didn't, then you would say we weren't independent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) So if Scotland declared UDI and 108 states recognised this but the rUK and U.S. didn't, then you would say we weren't independent?It's not what I would say, it's what the IOC would say, no?Edit : I don't get what point you're making. Kosovo is not recognised by almost half the members of the UN and yet has been admitted to the Olympics. If Scotland declared sporting UDI why shouldn't we at least try to apply? Interestingly, I discovered today at work that the Forestry Commission is being broken up into Welsh, Scottish and English entirely separate entities. This is how it's going to happen - brick by brick. Edited August 7, 2015 by adamntg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Who are Kosovo playing in the Euro 2016? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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