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Publishing blood-test data is a "great idea" to make athletics cleaner, says Scottish Olympian Freya Ross.

The 31-year-old long-distance runner is one of eight British athletes who have agreed for their test results to be made public.

"Transparency is key to clean sport and I'm a big supporter of that," she told BBC Scotland.

"I'm more than happy to have my results published. I think results being made public is a good thing."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/33871115

This must be murder if you're clean.

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incidentally Jeff Novitsky was talking about : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myostatinin the context of gene doping.

"Animals either lacking myostatin or treated with substances that block the activity of myostatin have significantly more muscle mass. Furthermore, individuals who have mutations in both copies of the myostatin gene have significantly more muscle mass and are stronger than normal."

"An international team of scientists has created super-strong, high-endurance mice and worms by suppressing a natural muscle-growth inhibitor, suggesting treatments for age-related or genetics-related muscle degeneration are within reach.

The project was a collaboration between researchers at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies, and two Swiss institutions, Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne (EPFL) and the University of Lausanne.

The scientists found that a tiny inhibitor may be responsible for determining the strength of our muscles. By acting on a genome regulator (NCoR1), they were able to modulate the activity of certain genes, creating a strain of mighty mice whose muscles were twice a strong as those of normal mice"

http://www.salk.edu/news/pressrelease_details.php?press_id=530

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Publishing blood-test data is a "great idea" to make athletics cleaner, says Scottish Olympian Freya Ross.

The 31-year-old long-distance runner is one of eight British athletes who have agreed for their test results to be made public.

"Transparency is key to clean sport and I'm a big supporter of that," she told BBC Scotland.

"I'm more than happy to have my results published. I think results being made public is a good thing."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/33871115

This must be murder if you're clean.

Not surprised to see this. Her husband is pals with my brother and she's a really nice lassie.

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If you were a clean athlete, what would be a legitimate reason for not wanting everything in your biological passport public? Worried about non-experts interpreting the data wrongly and branding you a cheat? Giving away training techniques, maybe, if rivals can see your data?

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If you were a clean athlete, what would be a legitimate reason for not wanting everything in your biological passport public? Worried about non-experts interpreting the data wrongly and branding you a cheat? Giving away training techniques, maybe, if rivals can see your data?

Not sure if you can extrapolate training techniques from blood data, maybe how you rest etc. There's bound to be a reason i've not thought of though. Privacy as well, maybe you have a certain medical condition that you don't want public.

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If you were a clean athlete, what would be a legitimate reason for not wanting everything in your biological passport public? Worried about non-experts interpreting the data wrongly and branding you a cheat? Giving away training techniques, maybe, if rivals can see your data?

If you are talking about current athletes then I suppose blood values would directly correlate to performance levels. So it would almost be possible to predict an athletes time in a given race, if you had sufficent historical values and corresponding performances. So might given other runners a tactical advantage as they know what you are capable of and how fast they have to run to beat you.

Other than that, privacy as Phart says.

Or maybe you are cheating and don't want to get caught?

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Been told Paula Radcliffe has a very large heart. ..ia that true ? And is it common ? Was she born that way or does years of extreme training make the heart expand big time ??

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Radcliffe now officially implicated: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/34190297

I bet she must be shitting herself.

Missed that , i've always said that her WR time was the largest outlier of all records in athletics.

The thing is it's Michael Ashenden who is saying it. He's like the leading expert, helped create the EPO test, led the team that invented the plasticiser test for blood bags, quit his job with the ICC in protest of them not being transparent.

Trying to go after the science is a legal move , Coe trying to smear them.

ps Darren Campbell is the man, it needs to be said.

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Why's that?

Well when you do an analysis of how fast other folk have ran etc, her performance is so much comparatively better than any other word record in track and field. Even all the old female records that still stand from the 80's.

here's a report about it from last year

"Eleven years after England’s Paula Radcliffe broke her own marathon world record with her 2:15:25 performance, during the 2003 London Marathon, there continues to be significant discussion in the running community centred on how the performance is off the proverbial charts."

http://athleticsillustrated.com/uncategorized/paula-radcliffes-world-record-in-the-marathon-21525-is-no-long-an-outlier-performance/

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Well when you do an analysis of how fast other folk have ran etc, her performance is so much comparatively better than any other word record in track and field. Even all the old female records that still stand from the 80's.

here's a report about it from last year

"Eleven years after Englands Paula Radcliffe broke her own marathon world record with her 2:15:25 performance, during the 2003 London Marathon, there continues to be significant discussion in the running community centred on how the performance is off the proverbial charts."

http://athleticsillustrated.com/uncategorized/paula-radcliffes-world-record-in-the-marathon-21525-is-no-long-an-outlier-performance/

Cheers, phart :ok:

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Lance Armstrong tweeted David Walsh (biographer of Radcliffe and Froome) "you're awfully quiet"

I know he is a dick but now he can say what he wants some of his tweets have been funny, like yeah i'm a big cheating scumbag, but now i have nothing left to hide (bar legal technicalities about government money) i'm just going to start yapping.

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Now gave her off-scores to SKY, who are putting forward the sophist argument that they are explainable, however it's the OFF scores in conjunction with ret counts and percentages.

Also citing a Ashenden study, so he'll no doubt reply at some point. Interesting tactic taking on Ashenden in the field of blood doping. They're trying to play this out in the court of public opinion as opposed to in the laboratory.

Ashendens analysis specifically mentioned weighting for the variables that PR (appropriate acronym) says they didn't.

Link to Prof of Exercise Physiology, Free State Uni SA, Ross Tucker Twitter where they are discussing this https://twitter.com/Scienceofsport/with_replies

A lot of reading though.

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Lance Armstrong tweeted David Walsh (biographer of Radcliffe and Froome) "you're awfully quiet"

I know he is a dick but now he can say what he wants some of his tweets have been funny, like yeah i'm a big cheating scumbag, but now i have nothing left to hide (bar legal technicalities about government money) i'm just going to start yapping.

This was pretty good too:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/34204775

Paula Radcliffe feels like she has been "almost abused" by calls for her to release her blood data.

The former British athlete, 41, says she has been implicated by a parliamentary hearing on blood doping, following a Sunday Times investigation.

Asked if freeing data would clear her, she said: "I don't need to. I'm clean.

Paula the guy who helped create the the entire doping passport problem, Is responsible for helping create the EPO tests and other drug detection methods is saying otherwise.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/34204775

Paula Radcliffe feels like she has been "almost abused" by calls for her to release her blood data.

The former British athlete, 41, says she has been implicated by a parliamentary hearing on blood doping, following a Sunday Times investigation.

Asked if freeing data would clear her, she said: "I don't need to. I'm clean.

Paula the guy who helped create the the entire doping passport problem, Is responsible for helping create the EPO tests and other drug detection methods is saying otherwise.

"Radcliffe said she would not release her data because she wanted to "protect a lot of other innocent athletes". She told the BBC: "I do not want to see another innocent athlete put through what I've been through in the last few months."

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Just read a bit of the Radcliffe story in the Grauniad, the line that always comes up in these things, but is rarely commented on is "...because I know that I have always competed as a clean athlete...". Not sure about the levels of out-of-competition testing in athletics, but that line always reads to me like "I raced clean, when I knew I'd be tested, but used substances while training".

As for Lance Armstrong, he's still a total . The cheating wasn't even close to the worst thing he did, the way he (his legal team) went after people was disgraceful. I can understand someone like David Walsh accepting an apology, but how Emma O'Reilly ever even spoke to him again is beyond me.

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This article is astonishing and very well worth a read...

http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada

Mental eh? I was speaking to a boy (years ago) who told me he had seen/heard a pre-contract with Pacman asking for protocols like this if someone did test positive, i thnk even Teddy Atlas might have mentioned it, it was seen as rumour then but maybe not.

Read most of that in boxing scene back in May, Glad to see it's been picked up by a major website though. http://www.boxingscene.com/-big-lie--91204

Boxing is rife with it, which is dangerous as hell, least with running it's only against each other, not actually hitting. UFC started testing outwith just fight night but only in lead up to fights and immediately popped the greatest fighter p4p ever. The greatest LHW ever and current champ popped for coke. Others popped for more 6 different ones, someone ran away and got a life ban. etc etc

It's pretty obvious when athletes start dominating much older then previously when doping was much less sophisticated and effective.

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