duncan II Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 OK, the phrase is ubiquitous in the clamour to show support for England. But I’m not entirely sure what it means. I know it’s a song from 1996, Baddiel and Skinner, but what actually is the underlying message? Do they mean “home” as in they see major trophies rightfully being theirs? If so, that’s a bit deluded. If, on the other hand, it’s a reference to the belief that they invented football, then I suppose they have a point. I’m sure the modern game was codified there. It’s a bit insulting, is it not, though, that that’s only part of the story. The laws may have been set down there, but Scots played as much a part of it as they did. Arguably the game developed earlier in Scotland. Is it just another example of things originating in these islands being wrongly attributed solely to England? Wonder why we don’t challenge this more. It’s just a song, no need for me to get worked up, I know. 🤐
exile Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 21 minutes ago, duncan II said: OK, the phrase is ubiquitous in the clamour to show support for England. But I’m not entirely sure what it means. I know it’s a song from 1996, Baddiel and Skinner, but what actually is the underlying message? Do they mean “home” as in they see major trophies rightfully being theirs? If so, that’s a bit deluded. If, on the other hand, it’s a reference to the belief that they invented football, then I suppose they have a point. I’m sure the modern game was codified there. It’s a bit insulting, is it not, though, that that’s only part of the story. The laws may have been set down there, but Scots played as much a part of it as they did. Arguably the game developed earlier in Scotland. Is it just another example of things originating in these islands being wrongly attributed solely to England? Wonder why we don’t challenge this more. It’s just a song, no need for me to get worked up, I know. 🤐 Seems there's a guy Ged O'Brien who's beeing arguing why Scotland have the better calim to having einvented the modern game.
duncan II Posted July 11, 2021 Author Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, exile said: Seems there's a guy Ged O'Brien who's beeing arguing why Scotland have the better calim to having einvented the modern game. That covers exactly what I was meaning. Thanks!
exile Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, duncan II said: That covers exactly what I was meaning. Thanks! Another article here: Is football 'coming home'? No – because Scotland invented the modern game A conclusion could be that Scotland at least has a claim, depending how you define "inventing the modern game." If you choose a criterion that would give it to England, then it's England's. But it must have been played in different forms for crnturies beforehand....
Third Lanark Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 I think England's contribution was to codify the rules, not quite the same as inventing.
Craigos Posted July 13, 2021 Posted July 13, 2021 The Foot-ball Club, from Edinburgh, wrote down the rules of football in 1833, which I believe was around 30 years before the FA was founded. Ok, the rules are not the same as the FA set down, but the rules now are not the same as the FA set down back then. In my opinion, nobody invented football, so long as there has been a cabbage, potato, rock...people would have been kicking them between things. https://www.scottishsporthistory.com/sports-history-news-and-blog/playing-the-game-in-1833-the-worlds-earliest-known-rules-of-football
Boynze Posted July 13, 2021 Posted July 13, 2021 On 7/11/2021 at 3:06 PM, Third Lanark said: I think England's contribution was to codify the rules, not quite the same as inventing. with a posh scot head of the FA... Kinnaird
TDYER63 Posted July 13, 2021 Posted July 13, 2021 Another article on the subject. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news/after-150-years-truth-scotland-invented-football-8756018.html%3famp
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