Auchinyell Sox Change Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Eisegerwind said: Arseholes. Twats Edited April 25, 2019 by Auchinyell Sox Change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Auchinyell Sox Change said: Twats What, fannys to twats, whats that all about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Eisegerwind said: What, fannys to twats, whats that all about. I feel twat is more of the new millennium, fanny by gaslight being a tad dated ; hence the edit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Auchinyell Sox Change said: I feel twat is more of the new millennium, fanny by gaslight being a tad dated ; hence the edit I very much doubt 'twat' is new millennium but I guess your effort is to be acknowledged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 56 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Who’d throw you down the gulag for wrongthink given half the chance I've done this already, however , Animal Farm was pish, and 1984 was wrong about everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Eisegerwind said: I've done this already, however , Animal Farm was pish, and 1984 was wrong about everything. Was that the old betamax version of Animal Farm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Eisegerwind said: I've done this already, however , Animal Farm was pish, and 1984 was wrong about everything. What about mass surveillance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 18 minutes ago, Eisegerwind said: I've done this already, however , Animal Farm was pish, and 1984 was wrong about everything. Animal Farm was a reader friendly description of the Russian Revolution As for 1984 Surveillance state ? NSA, GCHQ ? Ministry of Truth ? Trump, Clinton ,Theresa, Farage, Corbyn ? Daily Mail ? Murdoch ? 24 hour Television with Fake news ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huddersfield Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 1984 was only wrong about everything if you haven't read it properly. It wasn't a prediction of anything, it was an expression of things Orwell was worried about. For example, the impact that the war had had on the capacity of people to think independently, the diminution of language to reduce the capacity of citizens to express dissent (textspeak anyone?) & the pressure on journalists to write on behalf of the state if they wanted to earn money. He wrote an essay around the same time as 1984 called 'The Prevention of Literature' where he wrote: "In our age, the idea of intellectual liberty is under attack from two directions. On the one side are its theoretical enemies, the apologists of totalitarianism, and on the other its immediate, practical enemies, monopoly and bureaucracy. Any writer or journalist who wants to retain his integrity finds himself thwarted by the general drift of society rather than by active persecution... “Everything in our age conspires to turn the writer, and every other kind of artist as well, into a minor official, working on themes handed down from above and never telling what seems to him the whole of the truth." On the subject of XR, a guy I know around here is involved with them & put his 'personal manifesto' on Facebook. It included taxing poor families for having more than one child, putting the unemployed to do work on farms & enforced veganism. I was so outraged I needed to ring both my kids while eating a corned beef butty (on white bread, obviously). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted April 26, 2019 Author Share Posted April 26, 2019 6 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: Animal Farm was a reader friendly inaccurate and biased description of the Russian Revolution As for 1984 Surveillance state ? NSA, GCHQ ? Ministry of Truth ? Trump, Clinton ,Theresa, Farage, Corbyn ? Daily Mail ? Murdoch ? 24 hour Television with Fake news ? FTFY. TBH that's just my standard reply to 'Orwellian' quotes. I read both books many moons ago and that was my opinion then, I'd struggle to remember much of either of them now to justify my position! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted April 26, 2019 Author Share Posted April 26, 2019 33 minutes ago, Huddersfield said: 1984 was only wrong about everything if you haven't read it properly. It wasn't a prediction of anything, it was an expression of things Orwell was worried about. For example, the impact that the war had had on the capacity of people to think independently, the diminution of language to reduce the capacity of citizens to express dissent (textspeak anyone?) & the pressure on journalists to write on behalf of the state if they wanted to earn money. He wrote an essay around the same time as 1984 called 'The Prevention of Literature' where he wrote: "In our age, the idea of intellectual liberty is under attack from two directions. On the one side are its theoretical enemies, the apologists of totalitarianism, and on the other its immediate, practical enemies, monopoly and bureaucracy. Any writer or journalist who wants to retain his integrity finds himself thwarted by the general drift of society rather than by active persecution... “Everything in our age conspires to turn the writer, and every other kind of artist as well, into a minor official, working on themes handed down from above and never telling what seems to him the whole of the truth." On the subject of XR, a guy I know around here is involved with them & put his 'personal manifesto' on Facebook. It included taxing poor families for having more than one child, putting the unemployed to do work on farms & enforced veganism. I was so outraged I needed to ring both my kids while eating a corned beef butty (on white bread, obviously). Quality mentalism though, (arable farms I assume). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huddersfield Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, Eisegerwind said: FTFY. TBH that's just my standard reply to 'Orwellian' quotes. I read both books many moons ago and that was my opinion then, I'd struggle to remember much of either of them now to justify my position! Fair enough...I think one of the brilliant (but sad) ironies is that the fact that so many people see Animal Farm as a descriptive novel criticising Socialism & 1984 as a dire prediction of its consequences is actually proof of how right he was in his work. Just not about the things people think he was right (or wrong) about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huddersfield Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, Eisegerwind said: Quality mentalism though, (arable farms I assume). Indeed! I've known the guy for many long years & even in his teens he was politically off the scale; I don't think 30 years of drifting in & out of the ultra-left/Anarchism, etc. has probably done much for his capacity to take a realistic view of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 39 minutes ago, Eisegerwind said: Quality mentalism though, (arable farms I assume). 1 hour ago, Huddersfield said: On the subject of XR, a guy I know around here is involved with them & put his 'personal manifesto' on Facebook. It included taxing poor families for having more than one child, putting the unemployed to do work on farms & enforced veganism. I was so outraged I needed to ring both my kids while eating a corned beef butty (on white bread, obviously). It would be easier to laugh of these guys if there wasn’t so many of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Not sure of the logic of inflicting misery on innocent people. Reminds me of the planned BA strikes a couple of years ago where they wanted to time it to leave thousands of people stranded at airports over Christmas. Sympathy evaporates pretty quickly with shit like this. Saw something similar when the lorry drivers blocked the motorway and drove at snails pace as a protest. When they eventually pulled over some big guy in a car stuck behind them swung in front of them and almost gave the driver a doing as he had been trying to pick up his kid. They strike me as self indulgent shallow wankers doing something that makes them feel personally virtuous whilst only pissing people off who are as powerless as they are. I can see folk turning on them if they keep doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 2 hours ago, thplinth said: Not sure of the logic of inflicting misery on innocent people. Reminds me of the planned BA strikes a couple of years ago where they wanted to time it to leave thousands of people stranded at airports over Christmas. Sympathy evaporates pretty quickly with shit like this. Saw something similar when the lorry drivers blocked the motorway and drove at snails pace as a protest. When they eventually pulled over some big guy in a car stuck behind them swung in front of them and almost gave the driver a doing as he had been trying to pick up his kid. They strike me as self indulgent shallow wankers doing something that makes them feel personally virtuous whilst only pissing people off who are as powerless as they are. I can see folk turning on them if they keep doing it. Yeah no point disrupting folk who can't make decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 2 hours ago, phart said: Yeah no point disrupting folk who can't make decisions. Think they give a fvck in china or india ; where they should be protesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 28 minutes ago, Auchinyell Sox Change said: Think they give a fvck in china or india ; where they should be protesting UK still has the most cumulative emissions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 27 minutes ago, phart said: UK still has the most cumulative emissions. I blame the Romans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Just now, Auchinyell Sox Change said: I blame the Romans Industrial revolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, phart said: Industrial revolution. JS Lowry , or was it JR Hartley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, phart said: Industrial revolution. Watt ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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