Ally Bongo Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Is now the anti Scotland office and politically campaigning against Scotland Remembering that Scotland as an EU member will be part of any trade deal with RUK and the EU The Scotland Office Verified account @UKGovScotland Did you know that Scotland’s trade with the rest of the UK is worth 4 times more than its trade with the EU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 I went to a function at the Scotland Office in 1998 and got royally pissed on fine wines and champagne. Well it was the height of New Labour and champagne socialism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said: Is now the anti Scotland office and politically campaigning against Scotland Remembering that Scotland as an EU member will be part of any trade deal with RUK and the EU The Scotland Office Verified account @UKGovScotland Did you know that Scotland’s trade with the rest of the UK is worth 4 times more than its trade with the EU? Don't let facts get in the way of your nationalistic agenda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, DoonTheSlope said: Don't let facts get in the way of your nationalistic agenda http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/irl/#Destinations http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/deu/#Destinations Ireland and Germany should quit the EU and join the USA seeing that's their largest trading partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, DoonTheSlope said: Don't let facts get in the way of your nationalistic agenda https://www.autonomyscotland.org/our-biggest-export-is-uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 2 hours ago, DoonTheSlope said: Don't let facts get in the way of your nationalistic agenda Facts and agenda - two things you should really concentrate on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 70% of Canada's trade is with the USA.... Should they be ruled by Washington? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 my daily sport is replying first to Scottish Office tweets. Particularly like having a go at Lord unelected Dunlop. bunch of fannies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Listening to FMQ's yesterday i heard that Police Scotland is the only police force in the UK who are being made to pay VAT. Anyone able to elaborate exactly why this is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cove_Sheep Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 25 minutes ago, Parklife said: Listening to FMQ's yesterday i heard that Police Scotland is the only police force in the UK who are being made to pay VAT. Anyone able to elaborate exactly why this is? Think it was due to the way it was setup or something. UK Govt have refused to budge on attempts to have them exempt from it, like every other Police force in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Parklife said: Listening to FMQ's yesterday i heard that Police Scotland is the only police force in the UK who are being made to pay VAT. Anyone able to elaborate exactly why this is? Scottish fire and rescue to. Still not quite sure why though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 49 minutes ago, Cove_Sheep said: Think it was due to the way it was setup or something. UK Govt have refused to budge on attempts to have them exempt from it, like every other Police force in the UK. Bizarre in the extreme. Ruth Davidson's refusal to call for an end to it yesterday was shameful. Party politics must be more important to her than improving public services. Still, she can sit on a tank, drink a pint and hit a decent penalty, so who gives a feck that she's a horrible individual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 4 hours ago, Parklife said: Listening to FMQ's yesterday i heard that Police Scotland is the only police force in the UK who are being made to pay VAT. Anyone able to elaborate exactly why this is? It's due to the vagaries of the VAT regulations, effectively "public" bodies which are funded through local government are VAT exempt whereas those which are funded via Central Government are not. So when the SG combined all the regional police forces into one single force it then started to attract VAT as it was now centrally funded. To be fair, this was known at the time but the SG pushed on presumably on the basis that the cost savings they would make from combining the forces would outweigh the additional cost and/or they probably thought that it would be something they could sort out later. However, both the PSNI and National Crime Agency, both of which are centrally funded by Stormont and Westminster respectively have exemptions and legislation has been amended on other occasions to grant exemptions such as Academy schools in England. It seems counter-intuitive that any public funded body should pay VAT as it really is giving with one hand and taking away with the other. Pretty sure that the SNP tried to put this in as an amendment to the ScotlNd Bill 2016 but the Westminster government refuses to even look at Police Scotland - and Fire and Rescue - their argument seems to be a combination of "we told you so", "nah, nah, nah, we're not listening" and SNPBad, and of course Labour are doing nothing either. There is really no justifiable reason for this anomalous situation to exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 8 minutes ago, aaid said: So when the SG combined all the regional police forces into one single force as far as i recall , the Tories supported this as well. it was only the Lib umbs that were opposed to a single police force..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 36 minutes ago, stocky said: as far as i recall , the Tories supported this as well. it was only the Lib umbs that were opposed to a single police force..... Indeed, another inconvenient truth that gets overlooked. TBH, I'm surprised that they - the Ruth Davidson Party - haven't put pressure on the UK government to sort this out as it just gives the SG an out whenever they complain about Police Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, aaid said: Indeed, another inconvenient truth that gets overlooked. TBH, I'm surprised that they - the Ruth Davidson Party - haven't put pressure on the UK government to sort this out as it just gives the SG an out whenever they complain about Police Scotland. That would involve an iota of political nous or some common sense. to do that would be good for Scotland and therefore they think good for the SNP... They exist to shout SNPBAAAD, and have no idea how to do anything else, they are blinded by their own British Nationalism. Edited December 23, 2016 by stocky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 3 hours ago, stocky said: as far as i recall , the Tories supported this as well. it was only the Lib umbs that were opposed to a single police force..... P20 2011 tory manifesto goo.gl/5VLf1w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 22 hours ago, aaid said: It's due to the vagaries of the VAT regulations, effectively "public" bodies which are funded through local government are VAT exempt whereas those which are funded via Central Government are not. So when the SG combined all the regional police forces into one single force it then started to attract VAT as it was now centrally funded. To be fair, this was known at the time but the SG pushed on presumably on the basis that the cost savings they would make from combining the forces would outweigh the additional cost and/or they probably thought that it would be something they could sort out later. However, both the PSNI and National Crime Agency, both of which are centrally funded by Stormont and Westminster respectively have exemptions and legislation has been amended on other occasions to grant exemptions such as Academy schools in England. It seems counter-intuitive that any public funded body should pay VAT as it really is giving with one hand and taking away with the other. Pretty sure that the SNP tried to put this in as an amendment to the ScotlNd Bill 2016 but the Westminster government refuses to even look at Police Scotland - and Fire and Rescue - their argument seems to be a combination of "we told you so", "nah, nah, nah, we're not listening" and SNPBad, and of course Labour are doing nothing either. There is really no justifiable reason for this anomalous situation to exist. Thanks for that. As you say, seems unjustifiable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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