Stargazing

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Links to some of the gravity modification rumblings, if anyone's interested and to demonstrate it's not just in my conspiracy-addled noodle:

BAE involvement;

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2000/mar/27/uknews

Boeing;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1403060/Boeing-joins-race-to-defeat-gravity.html

Honda;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/benjamin-t-solomon/hondas-gravity-modification-research_b_7531260.html

http://www.americanantigravity.com/news/space/eugene-podkletnovs-gravity-beam-generator.html

Podkletnov appears to be the man of the moment (last 20 years, at least). In the 50s it was the Thomas Townsend-Brown's Biefield-Brown effect, dismissed as ion winds and not gravity modification but re-visited and re-appraised in the huffpost article above.

Edgar Fouche's (he of the TR3B secret aircraft) original 1998 presentation here. He also talks about some other interesting technology he saw in the 70s in use on black projects - e.g. 1GHz computer processor not available commercially until around the year 2000 amongst other things - suggestive of the commonly held belief (at least for a few folk) that the black world is about 20-30 years ahead of the white. TBH is any of this has been developed earlier, which is possibly the case, the 'black' world may well have become what some commentators refer to as a 'breakaway civilisation':

http://www..com/watch?v=pKnDQ2qDuwkyoutube

More detailed interview with Mr Fouche here;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKcIO_Qmr9I&list=PLduAC5d8yaEa6i3jx0jf_DxCvxu8Ax6Z0

Apologies for diverting the thread somewhat off topic. Haven't seen any of the coverage but good luck to the brave soul in orbit. Think it's a case of 'look over here at the zenith of our capabilities', while over there, where hopefully very few people bother to point their conscious attention, we've got the really good stuff.

Since I made the above post I've started reading 'The Hunt for Zero Point' by Nick Cook. Cook was the aviation editor of Jane's Defence Weekly (described as the world's leading military affairs journal), at the time he penned the book (2001).

Here's the blurb from Amazon:

'In 1966 a group of highly respected aerospace engineers revealed that US scientists were perfecting ways to control gravity. They predicted a breakthrough would come by the end of the decade, ushering in an era of limitless, clean propulsion for a new breed of fuelless transport systems - and weapons beyond our imagination. Of course it never happened. Or did it? Forty years later a chance encounter with one of the engineers who made that prediction forces a highly sceptical aerospace and defence journalist, Nick Cook, to consider the possibility that America did indeed crack the gravity code - and has covered up ever since. His investigations moved from the corridors of NASA to the dark heartland of America's classified weapons establishment, where it became clear that half a century ago, in the dying days of the Third Reich, Nazi scientists were racing to perfect a Pandora's Box of high technology that would deliver Germany from defeat. History says that they failed. But the trail that takes Cook deep into the once-impenetrable empire of SS General Hans Kammler - the man charged by Adolf Hitler with perfecting German secret weapons technology - says otherwise. In his pursuit of the true facts behind Kammler, Cook finally establishes the truth: America is determined to hang onto its secrets, but the stakes are enormous and others are now in the race to acquire a suppressed technology.'

It's a book I've been aware of for a long time just never got around to reading and I felt I'd probably already covered most of the content as its themes had probably been disseminated through other sources I'd accessed and that my own thinking had moved beyond what it had to offer.

However, it's very well written. Cook appears to be a first class investigative journalist, verifying and corroborating info/sources and travelling globally to interview folk first hand, with a meticulous eye for detail/accuracy. He certainly doesn't easily succumb to any notion he is unable to find good evidence for. What I've found particularly interesting is that in my disparate reading, I've happened to come to similar conclusions to those made in the following extracts, detailing part of Cook's interviews with NASA employees, including George Schmidt the head of propulsion research and technology in the Advanced Space Transportation Program:

"While NASA was struggling to develop technology that would reduce the cost of space access, there were those that said that the Air Force had already solved the problem......There was every chance that NASA was simply repeating work the Air Force had already carried out—and this applied to all aspects of its work "on the cutting edge." I knew of several Congressmen who were deeply pissed off about it. On their watch, they'd committed money to a number of NASA programs knowing damn well, but unable to prove it, the Air Force had duplicate technology up its sleeve. A number of NASA scientists I had spoken to in other fields of endeavor had acknowledged a feeling—though it was often no more than this—that their work was a mirror image of some hidden effort, something they couldn't see, that was going on in the black. If NASA scientists, therefore, were thinking "way out of the box" to come up with science that would enable them to reach another star system by the end of the century, maybe someone, somewhere had experienced that same feeling"

And when speaking directly with Schmidt:

"I asked him if he ever got the feeling that anyone was working on this stuff elsewhere; that there may even have been breakthroughs—ten, twenty, maybe forty years earlier. His reply was more candid than I had anticipated. "That's always a possibility. I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but we've learned about things that governments and organizations have been involved in in the past." He paused and rubbed the bristle hairs at the back of his head. I waited. "It would be extremely frustrating to think that we're duplicating what was done maybe decades before. We like to think we're on the cutting edge, at the forefront of knowledge. It would be very discouraging to think that everything had been determined before and we were just sort of .. . here for show. I hope that's not the case. But you never know. Maybe in some aspects it is." It was then that my PR escort interjected. "You know," she said, "I really don't think this is anything that we can comment on in any depth." "

I don't know what his final conclusions are yet, as I've two thirds of the book to go, but it is extremely interesting and really appears to throw into question the idea that NASA/visible space programs truly represent the current state of technology. I thoroughly recommend it for anyone with the slightest interest in the history of aviation, given it appears to be making a reasonable case for the possibility of the existence of hitherto undisclosed exotic aviation/spaceflight technology, and that just maybe things in this arena aren't quite as they seem.

[Bzzzz]

What's so special about today with the special program, BBC reporters in Kazakhstan and a feckin' countdown timer to launch?

We've had British, Afghan and Mexican people in space before...

You'd be forgiven if you just tuned in and thought it was a solo expedition by member of the royal family.

The guy's english, it's a shame they can't just say that. Forgive me if I am being a little over sensitive but to me it's yet another britwankfest. All manufactured, all fake as fk and all utterly cringeworthy. It's a shame that the guy can't just be appreciated for his achievements without having to be state owned so it can ram more forced nationalism down our throats. britain desperately clinging on to the rotting carcass of the empire.

[thplinth]

They could have fired a hamster called Tim up there for all the difference it would have made.

[Orraloon]

They could have fired a hamster called Tim up there for all the difference it would have made.

I think they have already done that experiment.