mariokempes56 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 My mate is a firm no now after that. Trying to highlight it, also the SFE meeting at Baillie Gifford suggested 140k job losses in the Financial sector this morning i'm informed. How many jobs went either Edinburgh and/or London during the crash ? And is that 140,000 just in Scotland (surely not) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hessen Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 My mate is a firm no now after that. Trying to highlight it, also the SFE meeting at Baillie Gifford suggested 140k job losses in the Financial sector this morning i'm informed. When did we start trusting anything that these bloody bankers have to say? It's scaremongering, they are all in it together, Credit Suisse are not impartial, none of them are. They know in a free Scotland they wont get their big fat bonuses, but they will stay where there is money to be made, and we will be richer than the UK. Buy your mate a beer and tell him to stop believing everything the establishment tells him, to strap a pair on, and be a real Scot!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 When did we start trusting anything that these bloody bankers have to say? It's scaremongering, they are all in it together, Credit Suisse are not impartial, none of them are. They know in a free Scotland they wont get their big fat bonuses, but they will stay where there is money to be made, and we will be richer than the UK. Buy your mate a beer and tell him to stop believing everything the establishment tells him, to strap a pair on, and be a real Scot!!!! Well he's(my mate) in the book of Scotlands top most influential people in finance and he was a yes supporter, but basically came out of loads of meetings today and saying it was a no-go. I doubt buying him a beer and telling him to be a real scot would have much use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Fuxake phart. Any chance you can take a break from posting for the next week or so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hessen Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Well he's(my mate) in the book of Scotlands top most influential people in finance and he was a yes supporter, but basically came out of loads of meetings today and saying it was a no-go. I doubt buying him a beer and telling him to be a real scot would have much use. I suppose if someone said you were going to lose your job then that would make you upset. My cousin runs an agricultural repair business right on the border. There is a chance he could lose trade in the short term (although I doubt it). He was a No, for purely that reason, but he now knows all the positive things of independence far outweigh that, so now he's a Yes. I assume your mate works in Edinburgh. Every city that becomes a capital creates many new jobs in all sectors, including finance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Fuxake phart. Any chance you can take a break from posting for the next week or so? why? I suspect it's being exaggerated , for example BP and Wood Group have invested in shale fracking and they need the UK to stay together as they've bribed the UK so they can Shale oil it up, the power is not a devolved one. The Weir group are probably ran by the security services or have close ties. With Lord George Robertson on the board and they were illegally dealing with Saddam Hussein during the oil for food programme, having illegal monies taken back by the high court. Standard lifes board is replete with establishment or security service type figures. No one else has really came out. They can say what they want in meetings to panic folk, it's not in the press yet either so it isn't really on record and will have been couched with enough maybe;s to leave wiggle room. Jesus Christ sir calm doon p.s. i'm still voting yes also i know folk dont believe in my behavioural things, but here's a good one for you guys. Referendum: Study finds those with more info are more likely to vote yesResearch finds that when undecided voters are presented with balanced arguments, support for independence increases Share 17816 1 inShare28 Email Libby Brooks theguardian.com, Sunday 7 September 2014 20.35 BST http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/07/scottish-independence-referendum-research-more-information-likely-vote-yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I suppose if someone said you were going to lose your job then that would make you upset. My cousin runs an agricultural repair business right on the border. There is a chance he could lose trade in the short term (although I doubt it). He was a No, for purely that reason, but he now knows all the positive things of independence far outweigh that, so now he's a Yes. I assume your mate works in Edinburgh. Every city that becomes a capital creates many new jobs in all sectors, including finance. Yeah his whole business depends on the financial sector, he's already stated if this wasn't going to hit him he would be voting yes, but has a young family etc. Hard to blame him he;s voting no for the reasons a lot of folk are voting yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 How many jobs went either Edinburgh and/or London during the crash ? And is that 140,000 just in Scotland (surely not) ? 32,000 estate agent jobs went in the UK i know that over a million i would say were lost in crash in total jobs, some figures i see have it as high as 1.3 million. over the UK, i'm going to play world of warcraft soon so i dont have time to check the break downs at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) My mate is a firm no now after that. Trying to highlight it, also the SFE meeting at Baillie Gifford suggested 140k job losses in the Financial sector this morning i'm informed. According to the Treasury's own documentation, 80,000 are directly employed in financial services in Scotland, with 100,000 indirectly employed. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/200491/scotland_analysis_financial_services_and_banking_200513.pdf The financial services sector remains one of the most important industries in Scotland and the rest of the UK. Financial services contributed £8.8 billion to the Scottish economy in 2010 – more than eight per cent of Scottish onshore economic activity. The sector directly employs 85,000 people in Scotland and a further 100,000 indirectly – around seven per cent of total Scottish employment. The UK is widely recognised as a global leader in financial services. Scotland’s vibrant financial sector is an important contributor to this strong UK position, and also benefits from its global reputation. Edited September 10, 2014 by Auld_Reekie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 According to the Treasury's own documentation, 80,000 are directly employed in financial services in Scotland, with 100,000 indirectly employed. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/200491/scotland_analysis_financial_services_and_banking_200513.pdf So we're all going to lose our jobs then? Better tell my team at work tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 According to the Treasury's own documentation, 80,000 are directly employed in financial services in Scotland, with 100,000 indirectly employed. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/200491/scotland_analysis_financial_services_and_banking_200513.pdf 200k down to 60k it was described to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 So we're all going to lose our jobs then? Better tell my team at work tomorrow. Sounds like there will be no financial services sector at all in an independent Scotland. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. That's a pretty hefty logistics operation to carry that off. Impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 200k down to 60k it was described to me. In Scotland ? Find it impossible to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 200k down to 60k it was described to me. Sure. Im not having a go. I just needed some/any context. 140k was just a number to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanday Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Companies are going nowhere - it's ridiculous. Some of these guys said the same during the devolution debate and are still here. The costs of relocation, creating new premises, hiring new staff, maintaining existing contacts is not done on the basis of what MIGHT happen after independence. Firms don't like change but deal with it when it happens, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Sounds like there will be no financial services sector at all in an independent Scotland. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. That's a pretty hefty logistics operation to carry that off. Impressive. Yeah hence my skepticism, there is also a huge core of highly specialised skills in scotland as well, thousands of folk you can't replace without years of training etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 So all these 140k jobs go to London where premises plentiful and affordable, wages are cheaper , houses more affordable etc.. utter pish. NB : not shooting the messenger Phart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 In Scotland ? Find it impossible to believe. Yeah, talk about uncertainty when your investing company has to take on entire departments of new starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 So all these 140k jobs go to London where premises plentiful and affordable, wages are cheaper , houses more affordable etc.. utter pish. NB : not shooting the messenger Phart. i know mate, i don't believe it myself, just my mate on facebook was saying it. He was pretty sure yes vote then all this stuff broke and it turned him. anyway have to go almost late for a raid on world of warcraft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hessen Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Like I said before, they will stay where there is money to be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnie x Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Like I said before, they will stay where there is money to be made. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 So William Hague outlines that the "new powers" are a load of pish and purely speculation. From Hansard (the document of the Houses of Parliament) Mr Christopher Chope (Christchurch) (Con): Since 2012, my right hon. Friend and I have been supporting the policy of the Government not to offer so-called devo-max as a consolation prize in the event of a no vote in the Scottish referendum. If this is no longer the policy of the Government, when and why did it change, and what opportunity has there been for this House to express its view? Mr Hague: It has been the policy of the Government for some time to be open to further devolutionI gave examples of what we have done in Wales, for instance, during the lifetime of this Government. The statements by the party leaders made on this in the last few days are statements by party leaders in a campaignnot a statement of Government policy today, but a statement of commitment from the three main political parties, akin to statements by party leaders in a general election campaign of what they intend to do afterwards. It is on that basis that they have made those statements. Have Auntie Beeb reported that? J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Standard Life said same in 79 and 97. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 In Scotland ? Find it impossible to believe. Aye, it's not nearly as believable as all the other shyte they have been spouting for the last year or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Aye I know. BTW does anyone know where Clegg ended up today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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