EddardStark Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted November 4, 2014 Author Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) Just imagine you had a choice on how it was spent. What would you want to change? There would probably be some untouchables.You can imagine pensions being one of the areas where people may be given greater flexibility. Maybe even Health. Edited November 4, 2014 by EddardStark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) Source? I don't think it's right - half of the total welfare bill is the state pension. That shows it as a third. This shows pensions as bigger than the rest of welfare, for example http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_budget_pie_chart Edited November 4, 2014 by biffer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilScotsman Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 As though income tax is the only tax. What exactly is spending on the 'environment'? Since Nuclear Power Stations technically reduce greenhouse gases could their subsidies be counted in there? The main point of this document is to get people looking at it and thinking "bloody workshy layabout scroungers take more of my tax than the NHS does!". 'Government Administration' might only have been £138 without this useless propaganda exercise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilScotsman Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Source? I don't think it's right - half of the total welfare bill is the state pension. That shows it as a third. This shows pensions as bigger than the rest of welfare, for example http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_budget_pie_chart It's been sent out by the government. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/03/guardian-view-chancellor-misleading-letters-taxpayers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilScotsman Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Another example: Public Sector pensions are listed under 'Welfare'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Going by those numbers it looks like that just includes Income tax and NI. Where does all the other tax go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 WTF are we paying Business & Industry for? There's a lot to be said for Monte Carlo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 I don't normally rely on the mirror for statistical analysis, but this explains it quite well http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/revealed-government-use-new-tax-4557912 They've basically included all civil service pensions - including their own and those of nurses and firefighters for example - as welfare rather than pensions, in order to make the welfare bill look bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 WTF are we paying Business & Industry for? There's a lot to be said for Monte Carlo. That includes things like UKTI activities to promote UK industry overseas, help to subsidise trade missions, and probably also things like part-funded R&D for new tech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 That includes things like UKTI activities to promote UK industry overseas, help to subsidise trade missions, and probably also things like part-funded R&D for new tech. Do you think it includes the money in broon envelopes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilScotsman Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) Do you think it includes the money in broon envelopes? Nah that's mostly under 'Defence'. *allegedly* Edited November 4, 2014 by EvilScotsman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 corporate welfare trumps social welfare, you normally find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 We spend more on interest payments than on defence. And it's not as if we skimp on defence spending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perthTam Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 We spend more on interest payments than on defence. And it's not as if we skimp on defence spending. Westminster adding £100bn a year to the debt isn't going to improve that situation. We had the chance to get away from that but voted to stay with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Label Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Culture! That reminds me of a cracking Yes Prime Minister episode when Jim questions why tax payers money is used to pay for culture for the sole benefit of the "Establishment" (who could afford it themselves) and not on football, as his local football team is heading for the wall .... Jings,... clever programme that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool Q Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 It's pure propaganda, with welfare not broken down, in the hope that the hard of thinking will assume it is all spent on unemployment benefits, single mothers, asylum seekers or whatever is the scapegoat du jour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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