morrie21 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 With Messi and Ronaldo separating themselves from everyone else during the recent era, who do we see as being the players from the next generation who will be as dominant and potentially enter themselves into the GOAT argument? Likewise, take Messi and Ronaldo out of this era - who would have been the most highly regarded player(s)? And if comparing era isn't too silly, who, in your opinion, is the very best player ever? Or top 5. Whatever you want to add. Just a thread to maybe get some discussion going during the week between Xmas and New Year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 Pele Messi Maradona Cruyff Beckenbauer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamP Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Orraloon said: Pele Messi Maradona Cruyff Beckenbauer. Great shout. If it was top 10 I would have to include Dalglish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, SamP said: Great shout. If it was top 10 I would have to include Dalglish. Kenny might sneak into my top one hundred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamP Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 9 minutes ago, Orraloon said: Kenny might sneak into my top one hundred. Football is all about opinions which makes it brilliant. Liverpool were European Campions thanks to Dalglish. Still to this day called King Kenny by the cop. Best Scotland player by a mile in my lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 Only players of the last 20ish years, Id have a top 10 of. Messi Ronaldo Cristiano Ronaldo Zidane Iniesta Xavi Maldini Pirlo Scholes Nesta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamP Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 Scholes and Maldini definately That wee bugger Scholes put us to the sword at Hampden yon day. He was the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrie21 Posted December 26, 2022 Author Share Posted December 26, 2022 From this era - minus Messi and Ronaldo - I'd have Modric and Ibrahimovic as the two top players simply for their high levelof play over a very long time. Also nod of the cap to Lewandowski for continued goal scoring excellence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 More of a generational debate particular to Scotland is whether players 20-30 years ago were better than the mainly generic calibre we have today and by better i dont mean fitness/athletic ability Reason it crossed my mind again was looking at a squad photo of first divison Hamilton Accies 30 years ago under manager Billy McLaren - they missed out on promotion to the Premier League on goal difference It contained names such as Allan Ferguson, Colin Miller, Jim Weir, Andy Millen, Billy Reid, Colin Bomber Harris, George McCluskey and Paul McDonald You could argue that if these players were that age today they would be streets ahead of most SPL teams that contain a majority of Scottish players It's maybe why most SPL teams import players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamP Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 10 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: More of a generational debate particular to Scotland is whether players 20-30 years ago were better than the mainly generic calibre we have today and by better i dont mean fitness/athletic ability Reason it crossed my mind again was looking at a squad photo of first divison Hamilton Accies 30 years ago under manager Billy McLaren - they missed out on promotion to the Premier League on goal difference It contained names such as Allan Ferguson, Colin Miller, Jim Weir, Andy Millen, Billy Reid, Colin Bomber Harris, George McCluskey and Paul McDonald You could argue that if these players were that age today they would be streets ahead of most SPL teams that contain a majority of Scottish players It's maybe why most SPL teams import players Sorry but pish. If our coaching system had been better then we wouldn.t need to have imported so many players from abroad. But fans as well liked and still do think the idea of signing foreign players is a great thing. Look at Celtic now. It's Japanese players they want. Rangers in the past. Dundee. We could go on and on. Most teams and fans think this is a great thing. Not for the country side it is. Limit the club sides to 3 foreign players is my opinion for the sake of our national side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 18 minutes ago, SamP said: Sorry but pish. If our coaching system had been better then we wouldn.t need to have imported so many players from abroad. Pish but you agreed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamP Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 28 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Pish but you agreed ? Aye, that is probably right. I was as guilty as anyone seeing the likes of Larson, Laudrup, Cannigia etc and enjoying watching their skills. I am sure fans of most other sides could say the same. Theo Snelders at Aberdeen. There is a question to the TAMB. Who is the best foreign player you have seen at your team. Most of my old Celtic pals say Morabjic (not spelt right I know). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 It should be infuriating to all of us that, apart from the odd exception, today we have nothing like the standard of Scottish players from 20/30 years ago We seem to have coached out the individuality & talent these players used to have McFadden is probably the last one Supporters will be able to remember cracking players of their own clubs ,even when they were in the first division, where it would be unthinkable that they could be replaced by an average overseas player that was better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviebee Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 Pele greatest ever for me. Shades it from Maradona cos he was 2-footed and good in the air as well. Messi is a good bit behind Maradona IMO. Bill Shankly always said George Best was better than Pele but then Best was done at the top-level by his mid-20's. Mbappe will obviously be the next big thing, if he isn't there already, but I'm not sure he's got that extra something that'll take him into the Messi-Maradona-Pele bracket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan cake Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 1. Messi 2. Maradona 3. Cruyff 4. Ronaldo the phenomenon 5. Baggio cant bring myself to put Christiano Ronaldo in there as he’s too much of a welt and Pele’s goals/achievements are very of their time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamP Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 I go and watch Raith Rovers when I can. Got thinking about the 1994 final which Rovers won on penalties. I have copied the teams that day for Celtic as well. Amazing the number of Scots in both sides. Changed days indeed. RAITH ROVERS: GK 1 Scott Thomson DF 2 Steve McAnespie DF 3 Julian Broddle ?' DF 4 David Narey DF 5 Shaun Dennis MF 6 David Sinclair FW 7 Stephen Crawford FW 8 Gordon Dalziel ?' FW 9 Ally Graham MF 10 Colin Cameron MF 11 Jason Dair Substitutes: GK ? Brian Potter DF ? Jason Rowbotham ?' MF ? Ian Redford ?' Manager: Jimmy Nicholl CELTIC: GK 1 Gordon Marshall MF 2 Mike Galloway DF 3 Tom Boyd DF 4 Mark McNally DF 5 Tony Mowbray DF 6 Brian O'Neil MF 7 Simon Donnelly ?' MF 8 Paul McStay FW 9 Charlie Nicholas ?' FW 10 Andy Walker MF 11 John Collins Substitutes: GK ? Pat Bonner MF ? Paul Byrne ?' FW ? Willie Falconer ?' Manager: Tommy Burns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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