Gamma_heavychain Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) Hello , I'm french I have been interested in the history of Scottish football for a very short time. I had fun putting together teams with the best Scottish players of the 20th century. I tried to make teams balanced by trying to respect the positions of the players as much as I could. I took into account the value of players in general and NOT ONLY in the national team (see R.Yeats very strong with liverpool but who played very little with the selection) Team 1 is my best team 2 my second best and so on ... I didn't take players like Dailly / Macnamara who played too much in the 21st century or Mcmahon/Drummond who played a lot in the 19th century. It was EXTREMELY hard to classify the players because I do not have enough Scottish football culture and very hard to compare the eras ... Please give me your advice ... I repeat, I am French, I am not a specialist in Scottish football and I would like to see your advice, opinions, criticism of my teams ... 🙂 TEAM 1 : ==========D.Law======K.Dalglish===== ===J.Baxter===============J.Johnstone= =========B.Bremmer====G.Souness=== =J.Greig===================D.McGrain= ==========A.Mcneill======A.Hansen=== ================J.Leighton=========== TEAM 2 : ========J.McGrory======A.Mcloist==== =====B.Liddell==============A.James= ==========D.McKay=====B.Murdoch= ==T.Jemmel=================S.Jardine= ========A.McLeish========G.Young== =================A.Goram========== TEAM 3 : =========B.Lemmox======H.Gallacher= ==A.Morton==============W.Henderson= ========G.Strachan=====P.McStay== ==E.Caldow==================S.Clarke= ========B.Evans=======R.Gouch==== ==============R.Simpson=============== TEAM 4 : ==============J.Jordan======== ===D.Cooper===G.McCallister==A.Jackson== ==========R.Aikten====B.Auld======= =T.Boyd=====================S.Nicole= ==========W.Miller=======R.Yeates=== ================A.Rough============== TEAM 5 : ==============L.Reilly========= ===B.Mcphail===A.Gemill=====J.White==== ========D.Jackson===J.McGovern=== =M.Malpas==================A.McNair= ==========M.Buchan=====B.Moncur== ================D.Harvey========= TEAM 6 : ===========P.Lorimer====J.Quinn===== ======E.Gray====J.Collins====B.Collins= ==============P.Lambert====== ===E.Mcreadie================J.Craig= ===========C.Hendry==F.Mclintock== ================T.Younger========= TEAM 7 : ==========J.Smith=======D.Halliday==== ====L.Macari===A.Hartford===G.Smith== ==============P.Crerand========= ==J.Dodds================S.McKimmie= ========G.McQueen==A.Raisbeck=== ===============Bill Brown========= TEAM 8: =======S.Chalmers===Steve.Archibald=== ====B.McClair====I.Durrant=====M.Busby= ===============N.Simpson======= ==W.Donachie================A.Parker= ========D.Meiklejohn===W.Woodburn= ================P.McCloy============ TEAM 9: =======B.Walker===M.Johnston===== ===A.Brazil============Sandy.Archibald= ========D.Hay=======C.Burley====== ==F.Gray=====================D.Gray= ========K.Burns======D.Narey===== ============Bobby Brown======= TEAM 10 : =========W.Wallace===K.Gallacher=== ==A.Mclean====J.Robertson===T.Docherty= ==============J.McMullan======== =B.Cox=======================J.Holt= ============J.Clark====J.Simpson= ================J.Thomson======= Edited June 2, 2021 by Gamma_heavychain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor1996 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Hello. I doubt you'll get much of a reply as the majority of people here are focussed on the Euros. But, those teams look pretty good as far as I can tell. Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noctonjock Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Team 1 would almost certainly win the Euros this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamma_heavychain Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) thanks for the replies. the problem is that I am looking for people who know the history of Scottish football .... and even here on this active Scottish forum it does not seem to interest anyone ... I tried on 2 other zero answer forums ... or find people who are interested ?? facebook pages?others forums? thanks Edited June 2, 2021 by Gamma_heavychain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Arbroath1320 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Good luck - but I fear you are taking on an impossible task. The best players are not always the players with most caps either because of injury or perhaps because a particular player did not get on with a particular manager. You have not mentioned Dave MacKay who played on the right side of midfield and who was selected for the midfield of Alex Ferguson's best-ever Scotland eleven along with Baxter and Souness. As with any footballing nation, there are under-rated players and over-rated players. In my memory, Jim Bett and Don Hutchison were under-rated players who should have had a lot of more caps. Eddie Gray would have been remembered alongside names like George Best and Johan Cruyff but for persistent injuries that kept him out of the 1974 and 1978 World Cups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Well done mon ami.... I can go back to the sixties and cannot think of anyone you missed. Ian St. John of Liverpool maybe. No idea who Raisbeck is - do you have the right spelling? Alan Gilzean - best header of a ball I have seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, Arbroath1320 said: Good luck - but I fear you are taking on an impossible task. The best players are not always the players with most caps either because of injury or perhaps because a particular player did not get on with a particular manager. You have not mentioned Dave MacKay who played on the right side of midfield and who was selected for the midfield of Alex Ferguson's best-ever Scotland eleven along with Baxter and Souness. As with any footballing nation, there are under-rated players and over-rated players. In my memory, Jim Bett and Don Hutchison were under-rated players who should have had a lot of more caps. Eddie Gray would have been remembered alongside names like George Best and Johan Cruyff but for persistent injuries that kept him out of the 1974 and 1978 World Cups. Agree with Eddie Gray and Jim Bett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkm_vancouver Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 On 6/2/2021 at 8:35 PM, Gamma_heavychain said: thanks for the replies. the problem is that I am looking for people who know the history of Scottish football .... and even here on this active Scottish forum it does not seem to interest anyone ... I tried on 2 other zero answer forums ... or find people who are interested ?? facebook pages?others forums? thanks Don't pisse ton pantalon mate. Like others have said we've got a tourney to concentrate on. What exactly is the point of what you are doing? You may as well just get all these names throw them in a hat and pick out 11 for each position. Have you had a look through the thread archives? There was one recently of best squads seen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamma_heavychain Posted June 6, 2021 Author Share Posted June 6, 2021 3 hours ago, gkm_vancouver said: Don't pisse ton pantalon mate. Like others have said we've got a tourney to concentrate on. What exactly is the point of what you are doing? You may as well just get all these names throw them in a hat and pick out 11 for each position. Have you had a look through the thread archives? There was one recently of best squads seen Sorry to have bothered you ... dsl for insisting, I suspect that you have something else to do ... sorry, I was just looking to learn ... I like to interest a lot in the history of football ... I am here to learn and I registered on this forum of specialists to cultivate myself. Thanks for the link and for the names of the players ... excuse me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamma_heavychain Posted June 6, 2021 Author Share Posted June 6, 2021 (edited) I had put d.mackay in team 2 ... i didn't know jim bett and d.hutchison thanks i will do some research on him 🙂 for gilzean and st john I knew them but I chose other players in attack. i know e.gray was fabulous but there were a lot of good players on the left side :"baxter / liddell / morton / cooper / mcphail" I was talking about alex raisbeck defender of liverpool yes yes you are right I sort out names like that at random, after reading stuff about them on the internet but difficult to be objective and to know who was better ... that's why I asked for information here because I have no Scottish football culture and it's hard to learn or find people to educate me. moreover, i speak and understand english very poorly I won't bother you any more and I will let you focus on the euro. good luck everyone I apologize once again for the inconvenience caused and I sincerely thank those who answered me ... sorry this was not from a bad intention at the start :-( Edited June 6, 2021 by Gamma_heavychain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor1996 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, Gamma_heavychain said: I had put d.mackay in team 2 ... i didn't know jim bett thanks i will do some research on him 🙂 for gilzean and st john I knew them but I chose other players in attack. i know e.gray was fabulous but there were a lot of good players on the left side :"baxter / liddell / morton / cooper / mcphail" I was talking about alex raisbeck defender of liverpool yes yes you are right I sort out names like that at random, after reading stuff about them on the internet but difficult to be objective and to know who was better ... that's why I asked for information here because I have no Scottish football culture and it's hard to learn or find people to educate me. moreover, i speak and understand english very poorly I won't bother you any more and I will let you focus on the euro. good luck everyone I apologize once again for the inconvenience caused and I sincerely thank those who answered me ... sorry this was not from a bad intention at the start :-( It wasn't a bad idea. Just bad timing. Don't worry about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamma_heavychain Posted June 6, 2021 Author Share Posted June 6, 2021 17 minutes ago, Taylor1996 said: It wasn't a bad idea. Just bad timing. Don't worry about it. I was going through a bad period of health (me and my relatives) and I took refuge there to forget ... It's stupid and without interest but it helped me a little... If people have advice and are there to teach me I'm always okay... Good continuation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor1996 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 35 minutes ago, Gamma_heavychain said: I was going through a bad period of health (me and my relatives) and I took refuge there to forget ... It's stupid and without interest but it helped me a little... If people have advice and are there to teach me I'm always okay... Good continuation It's not stupid if it helped you and took your mind off of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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