Angus_Young Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 It's never been about increasing the capacity. It's about having an area where people can go and stand to support the team. Safe and without blocking the view of those who'd rather sit down. Pretty straight forward I'd say. Since when did u become the voice of reason? Totally agree though. Welcome move IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaldo87 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 See when it's a seat, will the rail to lean on when you're standing not be right at eye level when you're sitting? Interesting...maybe a wee bit below head height? Although the chances are the people in these seats will still stand at 'seated' games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rasputin Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I'm all for this, though i would have thought that the way it could play out is each row of seats allows for two rows of standing and the way this could be done to help younger fans would be to make it revenue neutral. So a seated game would be e.g. £30 and a standing game would be £15 as two people can stand in the same spot as one seated. If it just means paying the same to stand as sit then don't bother with it, this can be done to help those that are on lower incomes as well as improve the atmosphere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
At U Peter Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 If it just means paying the same to stand as sit then don't bother with it That's the spirit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 So a seated game would be e.g. £30 and a standing game would be £15 as two people can stand in the same spot as one seated. Hillsborough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I'm all for this, though i would have thought that the way it could play out is each row of seats allows for two rows of standing and the way this could be done to help younger fans would be to make it revenue neutral. So a seated game would be e.g. £30 and a standing game would be £15 as two people can stand in the same spot as one seated. If it just means paying the same to stand as sit then don't bother with it, this can be done to help those that are on lower incomes as well as improve the atmosphere. I think you're missing the point of safe standing. Doubling the amount of people in an area is not going to happen and is not going to be safer (or as safe) as sitting. To be honest for 90% of games there is no need for an increased capacity anyway! How many SPFL games completely sold out last season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnie x Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Interesting...maybe a wee bit below head height? Although the chances are the people in these seats will still stand at 'seated' games? The bars are Waist Height when standing according to the reports i heard on the radio yesterday, so If you are standing with something at waist height in front of you and then sit down and the bar is at eye height then you are a very strange shape (unless the seat is at an unaturally low squat position) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellyman Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 You're completely missing the point. There's so few games at Hampden where standing could be used they'd be as well just keeping 'normal' seats. I was talking about Parkhead not Hampden, it would be a total non starter for Hampden unless uefa/fifa changed the rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I'm not overly impressed with this type of safe standing. No different to people standing in seated stadia just now. Would love the Dortmund set up with proper terracing where the seats are wheeled in and out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I think you're missing the point of safe standing. Doubling the amount of people in an area is not going to happen and is not going to be safer (or as safe) as sitting. To be honest for 90% of games there is no need for an increased capacity anyway! How many SPFL games completely sold out last season? Dundee Derby a couple of times. Couldn't swear any others did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rasputin Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I think you're missing the point of safe standing. Doubling the amount of people in an area is not going to happen and is not going to be safer (or as safe) as sitting. To be honest for 90% of games there is no need for an increased capacity anyway! How many SPFL games completely sold out last season? The idea of safe standing is about control, having the rail seating ensures a limited number of people in each row, if you look at anywhere with rail seating there is plenty of room for two people for the equivalent of one seat, as there is no movement between rows there is no chance of crushing and then movement of people is controlled through the stairwells. The big thing that makes this safer for standing than the present seated area is that no one can fall forward as there is a big rail between each section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 The idea of safe standing is about control, having the rail seating ensures a limited number of people in each row, if you look at anywhere with rail seating there is plenty of room for two people for the equivalent of one seat, as there is no movement between rows there is no chance of crushing and then movement of people is controlled through the stairwells. The big thing that makes this safer for standing than the present seated area is that no one can fall forward as there is a big rail between each section. Why is the more open terracing with sporadic barriers safe enough for the Bundesliga? As long as the capacity is limited to a safe amount then I can't see why we can't use it here. It is overcrowding that makes terracing unsafe, not the terracing itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rasputin Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Why is the more open terracing with sporadic barriers safe enough for the Bundesliga? As long as the capacity is limited to a safe amount then I can't see why we can't use it here. It is overcrowding that makes terracing unsafe, not the terracing itself. The way i see it is that safety issues around terracing are usually through human error, i.e. not controlling numbers, limiting entrance access resulting in people pouring into one section of a terracing and so on. Using the rail system allows for control of the crowds through ensuring controlled entrance and allowing for limited sections that have easy ingress and egress via stairwells which can be stewarded. As a result it minimises where things can go wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPROAR Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Why is the more open terracing with sporadic barriers safe enough for the Bundesliga? As long as the capacity is limited to a safe amount then I can't see why we can't use it here. It is overcrowding that makes terracing unsafe, not the terracing itself. I've not been to that many bundesliga stadiums but the ones I have been to have a little frame for each person and each has a flip down seat - what you're describing sounds like old fashioned terracing.... who's got that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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