washboarder Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Portrait King, wee nibble @ 100s 80s 66s stay on its feet/hooves wont be far away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Sadly, the race is now a pale shadow of itself and if anything fatalities have increased. Best of luck to everyone having a punt though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scot scotland scottish Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 No doubt I'll have a punt (and good luck to everyone who does) but as something of a racing fan this race just doesn't do it for. Would like to go to Aintree one day but not to the National meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 and if anything fatalities have increased. ??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equine_fatalities_in_the_Grand_National Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 ??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equine_fatalities_in_the_Grand_National Yes you see four horses have died in the last four years when fences were modified making them supposedly easier to jump through. Before that four horses died through falling over eight years. Even the late Ginger McCain and other trainers poured scorn on the changes. In effect now since the fences are softer horse (they aren't daft) and jockeys take liberties with the fences and brush through them more and horses travel at greater speed which means horses fore legs plough more through the fence and prevents them landing on them and land more precariously on neck and are killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 (edited) Yes you see four horses have died in the last four years when fences were modified making them supposedly easier to jump through. Before that four horses died through falling over eight years. Even the late Ginger McCain and other trainers poured scorn on the changes. In effect now since the fences are softer horse (they aren't daft) and jockeys take liberties with the fences and brush through them more and horses travel at greater speed which means horses fore legs plough more through the fence and prevents them landing on them and land more precariously on neck and are killed. None have died in the last 2 runnings The modifications to fatalities rate cant really be judged until say after another 3 -5 years however id wager that it will be significant Bechers Brook 1939 v 2009 Edited April 6, 2015 by Ally Bongo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Yes but height of fences (as photos show) is not the full story. The substance of the fences play a big part in falls. When the fences were far more solidly built if the horse never got enough height to clear the fence they got wedged in it (almost like a refusal). Nowadays the fences can be brushed through much easier but the fore legs which horses use to land with can get taken away from them and with the fences being easier to jump horses tend to travel quicker now as well so more speed and more fore legs being taken away from landing properly by brushing through the fence leads to more life-threatening falls. That is the pertinent point that many trainers have made about modifications and to quote that wikipedia link 'Some within the horseracing community, including some with notable achievements in the Grand National, such as Ginger McCain and Bob Champion,[6][7][8] have argued that the lowering of fences and the narrowing of ditches, primarily designed to increase horse safety, has had the adverse effect by encouraging the runners to race faster. During the 1970s and 1980s the Grand National saw a total of 12 horses die (half of which were at Becher's Brook); in the next 20-year period from 1990 to 2010, when modifications to the course were most significant, there were 17 equine fatalities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Giant Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 To be fair Ally, if its on Wikipedia, its true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 To be fair Ally, if its on Wikipedia, its true. Well no the stats don't lie and Ginger McCain was on TV stressing this point so it is not a wikipedia invention but factual opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassrubber Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Anyway when is the final cut ? - so we can get the formulae horses ! I note that the hot favourite Shutthefrontdoor hasn't run since November - and only 7/1 - wont be doing that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Anyway when is the final cut ? - so we can get the formulae horses ! I note that the hot favourite Shutthefrontdoor hasn't run since November - and only 7/1 - wont be doing that . Final cut I do believe is Thursday morning. Don't bet on anything around No.50 in the list as they have no chance of making the cut. Only perhaps up to No.44 are in with making it in through others withdrawals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Aye it's 10am on Thursday it's the field is confirmed. As usual going in to the National there are about 6 or 7 that I fancy. Goonyella is my big fancy at well priced at 33s. Across the Bay was travelling like a dream last year until it got taken out of the race by a stray runner so it has EW appeal priced as high as 50s and looks to have been geared for this race. Another couple that catch the eye are First Lieutenant and Unioniste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washboarder Posted April 8, 2015 Author Share Posted April 8, 2015 after goonyella won a couple weeks ago its trainer was asked if he would run goonyella at Aintree he replied no he wont be going for the grand national hold fire on yer ante post if ya fancy this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 after goonyella won a couple weeks ago its trainer was asked if he would run goonyella at Aintree he replied no he wont be going for the grand national hold fire on yer ante post if ya fancy this one I put it on NRNB but it's not made the final field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washboarder Posted April 9, 2015 Author Share Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) fairbairn ew portrait king 66s at moment Edited April 9, 2015 by washboarder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 fairbairn ew portrait king 66s at moment Any particular reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popkean1314foreva Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Having won a decent amount of cash 3 times in the last 6 runnings - (Mon mone 2009 , Auroras Encore 2013 , Pineau de Re 2014 ) , I`ve come up with a highly scientific method of basing my selections on any horse that sounds a bit French ( even if they`re not ) . Feel free to copy ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Having won a decent amount of cash 3 times in the last 6 runnings - (Mon mone 2009 , Auroras Encore 2013 , Pineau de Re 2014 ) , I`ve come up with a highly scientific method of basing my selections on any horse that sounds a bit French ( even if they`re not ) . Feel free to copy ! Unioniste it is then!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanJon Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Aye it's 10am on Thursday it's the field is confirmed. As usual going in to the National there are about 6 or 7 that I fancy. Goonyella is my big fancy at well priced at 33s. Across the Bay was travelling like a dream last year until it got taken out of the race by a stray runner so it has EW appeal priced as high as 50s and looks to have been geared for this race. Another couple that catch the eye are First Lieutenant and Unioniste. It done well to finish 14th after getting taken out!!! the same position it finished in 2013 Portrait King is a good under the radar outsider.Nice shout because I had missed it. I fancy The Druids Nephew to win and I'll do a few others e/w like Oscar Time,Duke of Lucca and Dolatulo. Best of luck to everyone except the Tims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 It done well to finish 14th after getting taken out!!! the same position it finished in 2013 Portrait King is a good under the radar outsider.Nice shout because I had missed it. I fancy The Druids Nephew to win and I'll do a few others e/w like Oscar Time,Duke of Lucca and Dolatulo. Best of luck to everyone except the Tims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassrubber Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Monbeg Dude Night in Milan Alvarado Soll Royale Knight will be the first five but I don't know in which order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washboarder Posted April 9, 2015 Author Share Posted April 9, 2015 bet portrait in January when it won, my son was at down royal on st pats day and said he watched this horse all the way round ,said it seemed like a schooling run however horse looked good, although he finished second he is rated 140, good trainer, and my lad knows the breeders and I know a few who backed it at long odds. good vibes for it I bet it ew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doonhameronthedon Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Taps fingers waiting for Ally Bear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Taps fingers waiting for Ally Bear I have to be honest - i've been focusing on a new motor the last 3 -4 weeks and get it tomorrow so i havent been concentrating on the National for that reason and also still a bit gutted about Annie Power at Cheltenham Also my initial thoughts are that it is not a good National and with the added fast ground it could easily be a complete boil over. A lot of the form lines are going to go right out the window due to the ground and it is going to give a lot more horses chances of staying the trip that normally wouldnt The horses that i give chances to have probably been mentioned - Cause of Causes, The Druids Nephew, First Lieutenant, Rocky Creek etc but there is not much value This year im looking at horses that love fast ground and also some that i think the trainer has been playing games with waiting for a coup So my lively outsiders are ; Al Co Corrin Wood Chance du Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Taps fingers waiting for Ally Bear I'm tapping my fingers waiting on dalgety bay ta with his prediction formula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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