Flora MaDonald Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 There's also mutterings among your ranks of another Coatbridge being pulled. Seems the local SNP boys and girls are finding it difficult to find those among them who voted for Gibson. Ach, calm doon, Brezhnev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacWalka Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 There's also mutterings among your ranks of another Coatbridge being pulled. Seems the local SNP boys and girls are finding it difficult to find those among them who voted for Gibson. What happened in Coatbridge? That's my hometown and I'd love Labour to get ousted there. Hated that Tom Clarke got in so easily so often, he pissed me off so often. He's retiring this year so might be a chance there now but I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 What happened in Coatbridge? That's my hometown and I'd love Labour to get ousted there. Hated that Tom Clarke got in so easily so often, he pissed me off so often. He's retiring this year so might be a chance there now but I doubt it. A group of SNP members claim that one of the losing candidates, Imtiaz Majid got more votes than the other two put together, including the 'winner'. I don't know much about the eventual winner... I couldn't even tell you who it was without googling, but I was surprised at the result, I like Imtiaz, he was very popular during the indyref, it's my understanding he was outright favourite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Seen alex s. In cumnock last night , packed turnout for corrie wilson ayr,cumnock &carrick snp candidate , good moral boost and A.S. was great at Q&A session. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Seen alex s. In cumnock last night , packed turnout for corrie wilson ayr,cumnock &carrick snp candidate , good moral boost and A.S. was great at Q&A session. The greatest man I've seen in my lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 The greatest man I've seen in my lifetime. Only cos we've never met. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Neither. Colin Fox and the rest of the false left. Colin Fox is a half-wit. I am convinced he did more harm that good during the referendum campaign thanks to statements like 'the middle-class will get the shock of their lives if there's a Yes vote' in the Sunday Herald. I mean, which social class does he think tends to read that paper? For me, he illustrates why the left in Scotland is stagnating at a party political level at the moment. Greece is led by an Communist civil engineer and have an economics professor as their finance minister; we have a guy who can't even punctuate sentences properly (going by that quote you posted) trying to convince people that he understands Marxist theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 There's also mutterings among your ranks of another Coatbridge being pulled. Seems the local SNP boys and girls are finding it difficult to find those among them who voted for Gibson. Shame if that's the case. Do you know what the other candidates were like, out of interest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) Shame if that's the case. Do you know what the other candidates were like, out of interest?Gary O'Rourke was very good. Knew him during the indyref, and he could have taken my vote... But he had to withdraw. There was a local GP who was a bellend and labelled the left as 'hypocrites'... And a woman who was good, but she stayed in Stirling so wouldn't have been viable.Edit: Gary would never have been selected... He criticises the SNP more than I do Edited February 19, 2015 by Scunnered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Should have said Gary, was by far the most popular prior to withdrawing. The local SNP group are under the impression the bell end GP took the majority of the vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 One for Scunnered https://twitter.com/The_SSP_/status/568715487833657344/photo/1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) One for Scunnered https://twitter.com/The_SSP_/status/568715487833657344/photo/1 That did make me laugh. Edit: Wish they'd make their mind up. There's Richie vernon who leads most of the groundwork and doing a fantastic job with the current living wage awareness campaign, who is right on message, Socialism can only be achieved through revolutionary action... Which is spot on. Then there's wit Colin Fox "Oh capitalism isn't too bad, hell even the banks are good s"... Sadly Fox's is the shite that makes the papers & TV. Edited February 20, 2015 by Scunnered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 HOLY MOLY!!! KENNY GIBSON ACTUALLY DONE A THING!!! Of course if there wasn't a large scale social media campaign, and MSM attention he'd have been nowhere near it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacWalka Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 HOLY MOLY!!! KENNY GIBSON ACTUALLY DONE A THING!!! Of course if there wasn't a large scale social media campaign, and MSM attention he'd have been nowhere near it. It's yersel' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wine bibber Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 That did make me laugh. Edit: Wish they'd make their mind up. There's Richie vernon who leads most of the groundwork and doing a fantastic job with the current living wage awareness campaign, who is right on message, Socialism can only be achieved through revolutionary action... Which is spot on. Then there's badger wit Colin Fox "Oh capitalism isn't too bad, hell even the banks are good bunny rabbits"... Sadly Fox's is the shite that makes the papers & TV. You must be running out of people to vote for .Correct me if i'm wrong but i don't think the Greens are planning revolution. Who else does that leave? Perhaps an independent .The problem with revolution is that it keeps revolving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 You must be running out of people to vote for .Correct me if i'm wrong but i don't think the Greens are planning revolution. Who else does that leave? Perhaps an independent .The problem with revolution is that it keeps revolving I'm not running out of people to vote for? I have an excellent MP, and if a Richie Vernon-esque candidate stood for SSP in my constituency for Holyrood they'd have my vote. If not I'll evaluate the Labour, Green and SNP candidates. As I keep saying, there's no desire in the UK or Scotland for socialism, so we've got to make the best of what we have. Im sure even a fanboy like yourself can see that Colin Fox's socialist principles have abandoned him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wine bibber Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I'm not running out of people to vote for? I have an excellent MP, and if a Richie Vernon-esque candidate stood for SSP in my constituency for Holyrood they'd have my vote. If not I'll evaluate the Labour, Green and SNP candidates. As I keep saying, there's no desire in the UK or Scotland for socialism, so we've got to make the best of what we have. Im sure even a fanboy like yourself can see that Colin Fox's socialist principles have abandoned him. Haven't noticed any change in Colin Fox ,other than he has realized that it is human nature that a significant percentage of the population have a burning desire to wont more than others.What society has failed to do is put a cap on their ambition and protect our resources..Not sure about being a complete fan but he has voted Yes and whatever he or Brian Souter says we are all on the same side for now.Agree with you of course we don't have any socialist societies in the world .but the difference in attitude to human values in Scotland and England is pretty marked.There are no so called socialist parties south of the border or anything like the SNP and a marked difference between the voting patterns of their respective population. Very confused with your point about who you would vote for as you must also be as regards your statement.If you consider socialism to be left wing why would you consider a racist right wing part along with SNP and the Greens.Er ...you do realize that Labour candidates want Scotland to be controlled by the uber Westminster right and has members that are in the House of Lords ???.i take it your comment was a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 It's fairly simple. I disagree with much of Labour policy, I disagree with much of SNP policy, and I disagree with much of Green policy. Therefore it comes down to the candidates... If SNP had selected Gary O'Rourke they'd have been considered. My Labour MP wants the same things I do, the SNP candidate wants to make Tories happy. No confusion comrade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wine bibber Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 It's fairly simple. I disagree with much of Labour policy, I disagree with much of SNP policy, and I disagree with much of Green policy. Therefore it comes down to the candidates... If SNP had selected Gary O'Rourke they'd have been considered. My Labour MP wants the same things I do, the SNP candidate wants to make Tories happy. No confusion comrade I disagree with some aspects of SNP and Green policy also .I cant imagine anyone will agree totally with any political party.But the fundamental difference is the SNP are in existence to provide the inhabitants of the country of Scotland with the basic human right to self determination that every other country takes for granted and is the normal form of evolution on this planet.That is all nothing more. By being a candidate for Labour your Labour MP does not want the same things you do,because fundamental to all your political beliefs must be the political creation of an independent Scotland. This is the only thing that gives us the mechanism for change ..That change cannot be augmented before independence is achieved .Then and only then can you argue for the way we govern ourselves.The Labour candidate cannot give you this.if you believe yourself to be a socialist then only after independence can you fight for socialism.By supporting a candidate who supports the house of Lords(whatever his other views are) you simply cannot be a socialist.You must understand this . I don't consider myself to be left wing ,right wing or centre .These are not terms i understand or support but i use them to communicate with others who accept them as the only descriptions available.I believe in a circular model (another debate in the future)I have differing views that others may place as having the characteristics of all 3.That is academic .I suspect like me you are coming to the conclusion that you cannot be labeled with a particular genre.Socialism is not the b all and end all.It can be improved .The only way you can fight for your political beliefs(many of which the majority will support) and enough to make a difference is after the start date of independence not before. If we can get to the stage after we are a normal independent country where if there is poor there must be no rich and if there is rich there must be no poor, then we would have as advanced a society as there is. I would never call myself a socialist but the SNP candidate wants to end the tyranny of both the blue tories and the red tories .The only way to get rid of both tories is to continue to vote for independence. There is no other way comrade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I disagree with some aspects of SNP and Green policy also .I cant imagine anyone will agree totally with any political party.But the fundamental difference is the SNP are in existence to provide the inhabitants of the country of Scotland with the basic human right to self determination that every other country takes for granted and is the normal form of evolution on this planet.That is all nothing more. By being a candidate for Labour your Labour MP does not want the same things you do,because fundamental to all your political beliefs must be the political creation of an independent Scotland. This is the only thing that gives us the mechanism for change ..That change cannot be augmented before independence is achieved .Then and only then can you argue for the way we govern ourselves.The Labour candidate cannot give you this.if you believe yourself to be a socialist then only after independence can you fight for socialism.By supporting a candidate who supports the house of Lords(whatever his other views are) you simply cannot be a socialist.You must understand this . I don't consider myself to be left wing ,right wing or centre .These are not terms i understand or support but i use them to communicate with others who accept them as the only descriptions available.I believe in a circular model (another debate in the future)I have differing views that others may place as having the characteristics of all 3.That is academic .I suspect like me you are coming to the conclusion that you cannot be labeled with a particular genre.Socialism is not the b all and end all.It can be improved .The only way you can fight for your political beliefs(many of which the majority will support) and enough to make a difference is after the start date of independence not before. If we can get to the stage after we are a normal independent country where if there is poor there must be no rich and if there is rich there must be no poor, then we would have as advanced a society as there is. I would never call myself a socialist but the SNP candidate wants to end the tyranny of both the blue tories and the red tories .The only way to get rid of both tories is to continue to vote for independence. There is no other way comrade I can agree with some of this, but independence certainly isn't fundamental to my political beliefs. I've always been honest on here with my position on independence, at first I opposed, the most viable route to socialism was and still remains the communist party's 'Britain's Road to Socialism'. The argument that Scots are more naturally left leaning than the English is one I have never agreed with, class consciousnesses is equally low in both countries, the challenges affecting the left would be no easier in an independent Scotland than they are in Britain today. So yes, for me when faced with the choice between a Marxist Socialist in my Labour MP... And a Tory sympathising SNP candidate, the choice is clear. If I lived a few miles over in one of the other Ayrshire constituencies... It would be probably be different , but I'm currently represented by one of the best MP's in Britain today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) Back to the topic of Wealth: Wealthy Scottish voters could offer Ed Miliband a route to No 10 "Middle-class voters in some of Scotland’s most prosperous constituencies could rescue Ed Miliband and improve his chances of making it to Downing Street, according to unpublished doorstep canvassing revealed to The Independent." http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/wealthy-scottish-voters-could-offer-ed-miliband-a-route-to-no-10-10057853.html Edited February 22, 2015 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Back to the topic of Wealth: Wealthy Scottish voters could offer Ed Miliband a route to No 10 "Middle-class voters in some of Scotland’s most prosperous constituencies could rescue Ed Miliband and improve his chances of making it to Downing Street, according to unpublished doorstep canvassing revealed to The Independent." http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/wealthy-scottish-voters-could-offer-ed-miliband-a-route-to-no-10-10057853.html I've learned not to trust canvassing since canvassing 60% Yes during Indyref campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I've learned not to trust canvassing since canvassing 60% Yes during Indyref campaign. Agreed. tHe interesting thing is that the original post article suggested (or spun it) as the wealthy backing the SNP, whereas this one has the affluent turning to/clinging to Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Agreed. tHe interesting thing is that the original post article suggested (or spun it) as the wealthy backing the SNP, whereas this one has the affluent turning to/clinging to Labour. Ah yeah. I'd say that the original does have polling data to back it up, but if there was an in depth study I wouldn't be surprised to see the Middle classes splitting fairly evenly between them. In my experience at the moment, the working class of Glasgow are turning to the SNP and who could blame them with the way Labour has treated the city. But closer to home, it's the middle class and better offs who are turning to SNP, while the schemes are clinging to Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) Ah yeah. I'd say that the original does have polling data to back it up, but if there was an in depth study I wouldn't be surprised to see the Middle classes splitting fairly evenly between them. which allows different writers to spin the story either way - 'shock horror the SNP is backed by the affluent'; or 'shock horror Labour being propped up by the middle classes' In my experience at the moment, the working class of Glasgow are turning to the SNP and who could blame them with the way Labour has treated the city. But closer to home, it's the middle class and better offs who are turning to SNP, while the schemes are clinging to Labour. The article implies it's places like Stirling, Edinburgh, and various Easts (Ren, Dun, Lothian) that are turning to Labour Arguably these are places where Tories would traditionally have been strong... could imply turning to Labour to keep a unionist MP in Could help explain a lack of post-referendum Tory unionist bounce, IF it fails to materialise "Political betting expert expects Tories to win just one seat in Scotland"https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/westminster/498511/political-betting-expert-expects-tories-win-just-one-seat-scotland/ Edited February 22, 2015 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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