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I think the referendum result was fair and square.

We got beaten and it is time to move on.

However : this story deserves its own topic ?
The video evidence is startling and I trust the police will get to the bottom of it ?

"Police have been asked to examine claims that pro-UK campaigners breached electoral law by counting some postal votes ahead of referendum polling day.

Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson said Better Together agents had been "taking tallies" of postal votes at sample openings held in the weeks before the count."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29359318

It is notable that the story went from 2nd headline to bottom of the page within 20 minutes.
Another example of the BBC sweeping things under the carpet ?

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Its cut and dried

Remember the BBC show the weekend before the referendum where Andrew Neil interviewed Galloway and then Sheridan ?

Also on that programme was John McTernan (who i despise more than the Alexander Brothers and Jim Murphy) who also admitted the postal votes had been sampled and No was well ahead

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More evidence here....

"Sources in both the yes and no camps also confirmed that sampling of the 780,000 postal votes issued for the poll were two to one in favour of Better Together, with yes campaigners confirming they expected Edinburgh to vote no."
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/19/scottish-independence-referendum-no-campaigners-buoyed-first-results-clackmannanshire-orkney

"On Friday in Edinburgh, postal votes were already being processed with a week left of the referendum campaign."
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/scotland-postal-voters-regretting-choice-032926861.html#LDo6Ble

2 obvious and genuine questions

1) Were the postal votes sampled ? If so this is illegal ?
2) Why were the postal votes (apparently) so strongly in favor of NO ? Especially compared to the main ballot

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Isn't Davidson's comment roughly that she (and anyone involved with both campaigns who both had observers at all postal vote verification sessions) knew that postal votes were favouring no. It's illegal to report on this while voting is still going on, from memory (slightly whisky hazed) she said 'now polls are closed I can say that the postal votes are quite good for no'. I don't know the precise situation after polls close, but there were lots of pre announcement rumours from the various counts (confirmed by both sides) that the yes or no sides were up/down.

As to why postal votes favoured no, if postal voters are older/better off then it's probably not a surprise.

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As to why postal votes favoured no, if postal voters are older/better off then it's probably not a surprise.

Agreed - oldsters don't tend to want change. Most people are naturally resistant to change given the element of the unknown. If you're close to or beyond the end of your working life it's perhaps understandable that the certainty (as you see it) of the status quo has its attractions as compared to the younger voters for whom the world is their metaphorical oyster and change is far more of an enticing prospect.

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Both Yes and No had been sampling postal votes, thats not a crime.What is though is not keeping their findings secret.

Sampling postal votes is not supposed to be a process to determine how people have voted

The sample postal vote openings, which were attended by agents from both campaigns ahead of polling day, were held to confirm personal identifiers - the date of birth and signature - on the postal ballots matched those held on official records.

The ballot papers are supposed to be kept face down when postal voting packs are opened so postal ballot agents and observers are unable to see how people have voted.

The Scottish Independence Referendum Act 2013 states that those attending the sample openings must not "attempt to ascertain at the proceedings in connection with the receipt of the ballot papers the outcome for which any vote is given in any particular ballot paper or communicate any information with respect thereto obtained at those proceedings".

Anyone convicted of breaching the law can be jailed for up to a year, and/or receive a fine of up to £5,000.

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You can't actually sample postal votes. That's the point. After the postal vote has been validated, the vote is taken out of the envelope and placed facedown on the table. You cannot see the preference on the vote - well maybe one or two if the counter is careless - but never enough to make any conclusion whatsoever, So - she does have a case to answer.

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