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I'm a 'Well fan too but Gallagher got a three year sentence for smashing in someone's skull with a baseball bat, it wasn't an unpaid parking ticket infraction or something, quite a big deal. Apparently our players are too nice though so maybe a bit of wanton GBH is what's needed to fire them up.

Pretty much sums it up well.Not mentioned Souttar though, probably the best of a bad bunch and the most likely to develop in to a useful international level centre back.

Both true. There's as many youngsters been involved the last three years or so in our squad as most any continental rivals. Why should Wales be the yardstick of what is ideal, are they that great? Also the selection of teenagers with little first team football is a reflection of lack of choice, the weakness of the mid twenties group of players and as a cynical device to get them capped to prevent them playing for England. We are already well stocked with midfield options, we don't need to pick a kid that has played six minutes of first team football and expect him to immediately improve us. At least Hudson-Odoi had the chance to show he could perform at first team level before England picked him. Also we don't need to prioritise building for the future when we still have a good chance to qualify (albeit through a dubious backdoor route) for next year's Euros. If Gilmour was a striker or a right back or centre back there would be much better justification to take a gamble on him but we already have plenty of players playing at a good level competing in that position. Just the usual typical kneejerk reactions every time we lose a big game. There's always people saying throw in the under-21 team, but those under-21 players from the past are then the ones that fail with us as senior players in the future anyway, proving themselves no better, or even worse, than their predecessors.....and so it goes on. The delusion that the next generation are so much more talented than the current one still endures though.

He was out for the last few months of last season but had only been playing in the under-23 squad up til then so my point still stands

Gilmour stands out a mile from seeing him in our youth teams and definitely has massive potential, we have ample midfielders playing at a high level though so he may as well be playing for the under-21 team than making up numbers in the senior squad in a lost cause for now, at least til he's played a few games for Chelsea at least. Johnston has a decent amount of experience and could make an impact off the bench I'd say, definitely a better option than Burke anyway. Don't understand the big love in for Hornby. He's no first team experience so you have nothing to judge him on, nor was he pulling up any trees for Everton under-23 side. His reputation is based on scoring a few goals against Andorra under-21's and just shows our pitiful desperation that he is seen as the immediate answer to our striking deficiencies

So highly rated he has played in an entire four matches for them at the age of almost 21

Being Captain in football is largely an irrelevance and involves scarcely any responsibility beyond carrying an arm band on your shoulder so there is no logical reason why it should affect Robertson's performance.

Only within the realms of this forum. Much like Jack Harper, we love having a kid playing at the lower junior reaches of a big glamour club

Findlay was already 22 when he was found wanting in the Newcastle under-23 side, not a kid going through puberty, they could see what potential he had or didn't have.

Newcastle reserves reject

I wouldn't really argue with the team selected, though must be a blow to Tierney, being clear second choice for Scotland and now not even best left back in SPL! Shows the standard of football here that that is our All Star eleven though. I mean where would that team finish in the EPL? 16th or 17th maybe? There's only about three players there I can see being decent in the English Premier league

What countries with serious aspirations of qualifying for major tournaments throw in players with no meaningful first team club experience in to their full national team based on looking reasonably promising at underage level? What purpose would it serve exactly? Feruz had a lot better record as a youth player than Hornby does. Should he have been leading the line for us in the 2014 world cup qualifiers on the basis of being 'promising' ?

When players haven't played any first team football like Gilmour and Hornby its easy to mythologise them, same as with Harper who's out of sight so that way you can make them out to be whatever you want them to be. The reality is Hornby seems to just be an average Under-23 level striker who has some chance of breaking through at Everton but probably a lot more chance of ending up at Rochdale but as he's hidden from view largely people can make him out to be the new Van Basten and our striking saviour based on netting a few goals against Andorra Under-21's..

I don't think you could plausibly argue that any more than three SPL clubs could survive relegation from the English Championship for long so in that respect its certainly higher standard.

The championship doesn't have teams of the standard of St Mirren to make Burke look good unfortunately.

He was born as well as raised there so wouldn't be requiring the Andrew Driver route

Brophy is too old for under-21 now and Gilmour, Watt and Hornby have no or negligible first team experience. I wouldn't get wildly excited about our prospects but we're up against other countries with similar small populations so should be competitive at this level.

Delightful to see militant feminism has arrived on the TAMB too.

Might have something to do with the fact that Albania are a poor team with largely third rate players (only Hysaj is international class) whereas we are only a fairly poor team with largely second rate players. Albania are seeded where they are based on their performances from a few years ago not how good they are at the moment.

Still the team's top scorer easily last season wasn't Rooney, even played out of position? Not quite such an inconsequential non entity as sheep fans are making out

He was never a regular starter though, was in and out of the team in league one and usually got subbed when he started and didn't get a sniff of first team football when they were premier league.

Isn't it weird how PSG, who according to Celtic fans are on such a higher level than any other team in world football, actually got beat 3-1 tonight?

Made a couple of decent stops at the end though to keep them down to single figures to be fair.

You just got butt fukd 7-1, you should be feeling sore , where's your pride?

Yeah except there's about ten teams on a similar level to PSG, Celtic don't have another nine teams dominating alongside them. Obviously Celtic fans will want to exaggerate that PSG are so much bigger and better than anyone else because it makes them look less bad getting humped and being so inferior to them. They were outplayed just as much, in fact probably more, by Bayern and Barcelona recently, this is hardly a one-off bad night. Celtic players just have it too easy in the SPL and I would recommend the likes of Tierney to take on the challenge of a quality league where they can't win almost any game without even trying much as this would give their game that extra edge.