Scotty CTA Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 If Tommy Sheridan picks a fight with a bear, and the bear eats Tommy Sheridan. The bear (and the world) win. Reconciliation with God due to the fact that our sin debt has been paid is the best news that the world could possibly get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) Reconciliation with God due to the fact that our sin debt has been paid is the best news that the world could possibly get. Oh? Where's he/she at? Edit: Don't want to appear sexist Edited April 4, 2015 by Scunnered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 Wait a minute .Your earlier post said Jesus created everything.That includes the choices that man makes.Both good and evil and also the extortionists themselves.Would it not have been easier to put a stop to extortion by not creating the choice to extort in the first place.By your understanding he created the extortion ,cries foul then attacks the extortionists for being there.Sounds like Jim Murphy and foodbanks FFS So man makes the choices? We agree. Through freewill, man is free to choose between right and wrong, good and evil. God does not make our choices for us. We have to take responsibility for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 Oh? Where's he/she at? He is in the third heaven. We are in the first heaven. The second heaven lies in-between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 He is in the third heaven. We are in the first heaven. The second heaven lies in-between. How do I get to second heaven? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wine bibber Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 So man makes the choices? We agree. Through freewill, man is free to choose between right and wrong, good and evil. God does not make our choices for us. We have to take responsibility for that. You said Jesus creates everything .That means he created choice and no choice .Freewill and constraint.Man is therefore free to choose and not free to choose.In short the creator has created everything including the outcomes of choice Therefore we have no choice.We cant take responsibility if we have no control over anything that has or is to be created. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davierobbsagod Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 How do I get to second heaven? how long till Heaven 17 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redstevie007 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) Oh no. Not provable. Anything but provable. Rather than just say 'go on then, prove the existence of god', which will lead to more mentalness than I can take, let me just ask you this.How are the theories of the big bang and evolution less provable and less probable than the existence of god? Edited April 4, 2015 by redstevie007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 How do I get to second heaven? Space shuttle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 You said Jesus creates everything. Jesus created everything. That means he created choice and no choice. God gave us freewill within creation. Man is therefore free to choose and not free to choose. Choice is unavoidable. (If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.) In short the creator has created everything including the outcomes of choice. God has not decided the outcome of our choices. We do that. Heaven (for example) is available to all. You are free to accept or reject heaven. We cant take responsibility if we have no control over anything that has or is to be created. . You can take responsibility and you do have control over your choices. God creates tobacco; man makes cigarettes; man decides whether or not to smoke. God does not make you smoke. You decide whether or not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Space shuttle. So God cares only for the wealthy?! Capitalist filth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 how long till Heaven 17 ? I've never been closer... How are the theories of the big bang and evolution less provable and less probable than the existence of god? The hypothesis of evolution is an impossibility. Special creation is the ONLY possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 So God cares only for the wealthy?! Capitalist filth! Definitely not. The price for your free trip to the third heaven has already been paid for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redstevie007 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 The hypothesis of evolution is an impossibility. Special creation is the ONLY possibility. The existence of god is just as theoretical but scrutiny of it sits outside the realm of science because of people like you chanting your dogma. The theories of the big bang and evolution can at least be evidenced, gods existence cannot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 Life only comes from life. Everything has been designed. Design has a designer. Creation has a Creator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redstevie007 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Life only comes from life. Everything has been designed. Design has a designer. Creation has a Creator. None of that is evidence of the existence of god, it's just dogma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 It's logical deductive reasoning based on common sense. Truth carries the most weight. Always will. You believe that your ancestors were 'soup' and you call that science. Not because it has even a remote possibility of being true, but because you want it to be true and you are comfortable tricking yourself into thinking you are somehow off the hook of accountability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Actually no, there IS another explanation for the universe and it's far more likely, not to mention provable, than god. No there isn't, that's just scientific illiteracy. Even the big bang needs a miracle to start it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Rather than just say 'go on then, prove the existence of god', which will lead to more mentalness than I can take, let me just ask you this. How are the theories of the big bang and evolution less provable and less probable than the existence of god? they aren't less provable. There is no way to test "god". Evolution is much better defined than the big bang. Scotty is just being an advocate for his "truth". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redstevie007 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) No there isn't, that's just scientific illiteracy. Even the big bang needs a miracle to start it off. I was merely pointing out that Scotty's claim has an alternative possibility - god is not the only possibility (can't believe I'm giving him that) for the existence of the universe. Edited April 4, 2015 by redstevie007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redstevie007 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Scotty is just being an advocate for his "truth". And me for mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 I was merely pointing out that Scotty's claim has an alternative possibility - god is not the only possibility (can't believe I'm giving him that) for the existence of the universe. Hey it might have been "god", the chances of it being a god of a particular dogma over anny other dogma is tiny. Out of the millions of different beliefs on this planet and every other planet what's the chances that your one is going to be correct. Assuming you're the one who is right is mental imo. Least with evolution and big bang you can experiment to falsify it, there are avenues to be proven wrong, these dont exist in religion really that i'm aware of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redstevie007 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) Out of the millions of different beliefs on this planet and every other planet what's the chances that your one is going to be correct. Assuming you're the one who is right is mental imo.I never said I was right, just that there are other theories that can be scientifically tested, (at least some) proof of them happening exists and that they're far more likely than the existence of god, the existence of which conveniently can be neither proven nor disproven. Science is at a distinct disadvantage when discussing the existence of god because science deals with 'things', whereas god is unquestionable because you must have 'faith', which really is mental. Edited April 4, 2015 by redstevie007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 I never said I was right, just that there are other theories that can be scientifically tested, (at least some) proof of them happening exists and that they're far more likely than the existence of god, the existence of which conveniently can be neither proven nor disproven. Science is at a distinct disadvantage when discussing the existence of god because science deals with 'things', whereas god is unquestionable because you must have 'faith', which really is mental. Sorry i'm not disagreeing , just blurting out my own shit here. To be fair science says nothing about god, cause it has nothing to say, it is a concept, not a physical thing that can be investigated and reduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redstevie007 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Sorry i'm not disagreeing , just blurting out my own shit here. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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