Scunnered Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I was going to call the thread 'Reason why the SNP are Neoliberal douches #68426868486'... But I didn't want to upset Ally Bongo. Cant imagine what reason the SNP had for rejecting the bill... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilScotsman Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Quick synopsis of the bill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 Summary: Iain Gray’s draft proposal, lodged on 1 May 2013, is for a Bill to: “provide transport authorities with greater powers to set service levels for local bus services, including a power to group profitable routes with non- profitable routes before they are put out to tender with operators”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Did the draft proposal include costings about how the regulation system would be paid for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilScotsman Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Summary: Iain Gray’s draft proposal, lodged on 1 May 2013, is for a Bill to: “provide transport authorities with greater powers to set service levels for local bus services, including a power to group profitable routes with non- profitable routes before they are put out to tender with operators”. Ta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 Did the draft proposal include costings about how the regulation system would be paid for? I don't think I've ever seen a member bill with costings. The bill proposal followed the consultation period which it had public and trade Union support, it's then put before parliament with the question of whether they agree with the proposal in principal, if it's agreed in principal then comes the maths and arguments. The bill outlined the need for strict financial penalties for operators not meeting service requirements when they are in receipt of public funds. I guess it would be paid for by Brian Souters tears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Do you know what benefits this bill was supposed to bring? i notice Alison Johnstone isn't on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I too would like to see the SNP reasoning for not supporting this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I don't think I've ever seen a member bill with costings. The bill proposal followed the consultation period which it had public and trade Union support, it's then put before parliament with the question of whether they agree with the proposal in principal, if it's agreed in principal then comes the maths and arguments. The bill outlined the need for strict financial penalties for operators not meeting service requirements when they are in receipt of public funds. I guess it would be paid for by Brian Souters tears. Ah, right, I see where you are going with this now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 Do you know what benefits this bill was supposed to bring? i notice Alison Johnstone isn't on the list. Bill can be viewed here, it's fairly short and well presented: http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/S4_MembersBills/Final_consultation_Regulation_of_Bus_Bill_S4.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) Ah, right, I see where you are going with this now.It's the obvious answer in my humble opinion:). Not so long ago the SNP supported re-regulating the buses, then they didn't... Then they did... And now they don't. Edited January 8, 2015 by Scunnered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Other than costs, I don't see what's to disagree with, in principle, with the proposal. Deregulation in the first place was counter to ensuring an integrated, socially-required transport system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Endell Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 ^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 Other than costs, I don't see what's to disagree with, in principle, with the proposal Indeed... Which leads to nutjobs like me jumping to the glaring conclusion that it was bought with Souters £1.4m in donations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 With all the new SNP members now, I'm sure they are in as much need of Brian Souter's money. I think they should be trying to distance themselves from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I would have thought a proper "Labour" party would be pushing to nationalise the buses, instead of just tinkering around the edges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 I would have thought a proper "Labour" party would be pushing to nationalise the buses, instead of just tinkering around the edges. Jesus man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Jesus man Did they have public transportation when he was around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 Did they have public transportation when he was around? Mary rode a donkey, not sure if it was privately owned. Anyway, we don't have a proper Labour party, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it was a great bill... As was their Living Wage Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 A great bill? I think you are getting over excited. It's a bill with merit that the SNP should be supporting, but just because you've found something the SNP should be supporting but aren't, possibly because of a bigoted funder, doesn't make it a great bill. No smoking in public places, gay marriage, etc are examples of great bills. Try and contain yerself eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 A great bill? I think you are getting over excited. It's a bill with merit that the SNP should be supporting, but just because you've found something the SNP should be supporting but aren't, possibly because of a bigoted funder, doesn't make it a great bill. No smoking in public places, gay marriage, etc are examples of great bills. Try and contain yerself eh. Only in some corridors or the SNP would that be thought true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 A great bill? I think you are getting over excited. It's a bill with merit that the SNP should be supporting, but just because you've found something the SNP should be supporting but aren't, possibly because of a bigoted funder, doesn't make it a great bill. No smoking in public places, gay marriage, etc are examples of great bills. Try and contain yerself eh. It's a great bill, as was the living wage bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 It's a great bill, as was the living wage bill Having read through that link you kindly provided I still don't see how it was going to improve bus services in my area. The buses would still run late or not at all, they would still be overpriced, nonexistent after 2300 and the profits would still go to folk like Brian Soutar. If we really want to improve the transport system in Scotland the thinking needs to be a bit more radical than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 If we really want to improve the transport system in Scotland the thinking needs to be a bit more radical than this. Absolutely, but without a progressive government you have to take what you can get. When the original bus regulation bill was defeated in 2011, the SNP and Tories rejected it citing "it wouldn't be legally possible in this parliament", after clarification on the issue, Gray resubmitted. Not sure what official line the SNP will offer this time round... If any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Absolutely, but without a progressive government you have to take what you can get. When the original bus regulation bill was defeated in 2011, the SNP and Tories rejected it citing "it wouldn't be legally possible in this parliament", after clarification on the issue, Gray resubmitted. Not sure what official line the SNP will offer this time round... If any. Is Iain Gray really hoping to improve things with this bill or is he just using it to have a go at the SNP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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