Larky Masher Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 The prophet like statement at the end. I think you get it. As you usually do. Better pulling me up on my Oswald error to be honest. I'd suggest that prefacing the unrest statement with IMO means the poster is expressing an opinion and not making a prophecy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Here goes the PC mob again,,, gives me the "vibe" of an elite TA member the wrong side of 60,,, who have no other concerns other than how much away point they have,,, i truely hope i am wrong but there you go,,, its my opinion to give Yes and no. I got a 'rivers of blood' vibe from it so it was at least relevant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindimoo Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 There is a points based system for Non EU/EEA migrants. Perhaps the efforts need to be focussed on illegal non-humanitarian migration. I'm sick of students in particular being lumped in with all the negative press. Their contribution to the economy often goes unmentioned - their £17000 (ave) per year tuition fees for a start. Then the £150 immigration health surcharge per year which I'm doubtful will ever go to the NHS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YORKIE PAM Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Loads of foreign folk in Manchester but the city has been a stopping off - and sometimes home - destination for migrants from many countries since the 18th century (and before). The Irish, the Jews many Asian and Caribbean citizens all washed up on the banks of the Irwell, Mersey and Manchester Ship Canal and for the most part, there was never too much of an issue with all nationalities getting on with their neighbours. But around 10 years ago, the cultural mix began to be less of a multi-ethnic stew, becoming more of a toxic brew that is having an adverse effect on parts of the city. I've lived in the place for 50 years but I won't travel into a few places in Gtr Manchester - too risky. Certain parts are now 'no go' areas for many drivers as 'crash for cash' gangs rule - OK! Other locales are run by drug gangs, everyone knows who they are but few risk 'grassing'. Plod have had a lot of success of late, arresting perpetrators under proceeds of crime laws to pull them in. But no one is under any illusions that the drugs war can be won - we all know it can't. Many newer arrivals can't find work and are easily recruited by those who know the script and have the new recruits front dodgy dealing. Well they would, wouldn't they? Parts of Oldham, Rochdale, Gorton, Levenshulme, Longsight, Ardwick and Cheetham Hill, for decades, the first stop for many migrants over the years, are now barely recognisable as English. It's not just the appearance, it's a mindset. And, in many cases there is virtually no integration to talk about. Irrespective of who is to blame for migrants heading to the UK for a better life, it's not healthy that the chasms between communities are widening with every tabloid scare story. I do believe that every person who is genuinely escaping imprisonment, torture or even death for deeply held beliefs (as long as they don't impact adversely on the rest of the world), should be welcomed into Europe - and elsewhere if they'll have them. 'Open borders' patently don't work. And why should someone more devious or calculating than others jump into a country by their duplicity - they shouldn't, IMHO. There is a case for financial migrants to be able to enter countries if they fit certain criteria - but no country can assimilate everyone that wants to travel for a better life. At 61, I'm not sure I really give a shit, it's for you younger folk to deal with. But, I'd hate to see the country - and I mean the UK - descend into some Balkanesque quagmire for decades to come - and I'm not trying to be dramatic. Anyway, on a lighter note, I stumbled on this: Made me laugh but maybe I'm just a bit twisted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YORKIE PAM Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Loads of foreign folk in Manchester but the city has been a stopping off - and sometimes home - destination for migrants from many countries since the 18th century (and before). The Irish, the Jews many Asian and Caribbean citizens all washed up on the banks of the Irwell, Mersey and Manchester Ship Canal and for the most part, there was never too much of an issue with all nationalities getting on with their neighbours. But around 10 years ago, the cultural mix began to be less of a multi-ethnic stew, becoming more of a toxic brew that is having an adverse effect on parts of the city. I've lived in the place for 50 years but I won't travel into a few places in Gtr Manchester - too risky. Certain parts are now 'no go' areas for many drivers as 'crash for cash' gangs rule - OK! Other locales are run by drug gangs, everyone knows who they are but few risk 'grassing'. Plod have had a lot of success of late, arresting perpetrators under proceeds of crime laws to pull them in. But no one is under any illusions that the drugs war can be won - we all know it can't. Many newer arrivals can't find work and are easily recruited by those who know the script and have the new recruits front dodgy dealing. Well they would, wouldn't they? Parts of Oldham, Rochdale, Gorton, Levenshulme, Longsight, Ardwick and Cheetham Hill, for decades, the first stop for many migrants over the years, are now barely recognisable as English. It's not just the appearance, it's a mindset. And, in many cases there is virtually no integration to talk about. Irrespective of who is to blame for migrants heading to the UK for a better life, it's not healthy that the chasms between communities are widening with every tabloid scare story. I do believe that every person who is genuinely escaping imprisonment, torture or even death for deeply held beliefs (as long as they don't impact adversely on the rest of the world), should be welcomed into Europe - and elsewhere if they'll have them. 'Open borders' patently don't work. And why should someone more devious or calculating than others jump into a country by their duplicity - they shouldn't, IMHO. There is a case for financial migrants to be able to enter countries if they fit certain criteria - but no country can assimilate everyone that wants to travel for a better life. At 61, I'm not sure I really give a shit, it's for you younger folk to deal with. But, I'd hate to see the country - and I mean the UK - descend into some Balkanesque quagmire for decades to come - and I'm not trying to be dramatic. Anyway, on a lighter note, I stumbled on this: Made me laugh but maybe I'm just a bit twisted. The driving problem really bad in parts of Bratfud, you need eyes in the back of your head! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robroysboy Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) agree, this is tragic to watch,. Even more tragic is the lack of post intervention strategies Western leaders have have to prevent such disasters in these countries. It also concerns me that the UK has a significant arms industry, are we making a tidy profit by selling arms to Assad and or the other parties in the middle east. Is the outpouring of displaced civilians a consequence of the arms industries greed? Asssad was / is a tyrant, yet now he is helping the UK and its allies crush ISIS? Yet the UK and its allies assisted in the overthrowing of Gidaffi in Lybia and Sadam Hussein in Iraq. and what a mess those two countries are in. War is good for the arms industry and to hell with the consequences. Edited August 24, 2015 by Robroysboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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