I get what you're saying, but at the same time the 'progress' in this position, which has been a real worry for such a long time, is staggering...we have gone from SOD and Liam Palmer and virtually no one else, to having SOD and Patterson and 3 or 4 real up and coming contenders in the guys you mention, Ramsay, Ralston, Ashby...and in my opinion Hickey, who looks to me to have every tool required to play just about anywhere on the pitch, two-feet, athletic, quick, good awareness, comfortable on the ball.