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Argentina had it 10 years ago.

Someone posted a picture, fucking hell.

In front of primary school children in the chamber as well according to randoms on the net. So might be pish. So much for safeguarding though. All these fears seem like projection for some folk. Every accusation a confession.

I thought there was a 3 month period before you could do anything like that. Folk are making stuff in their head and then getting angry it. I'm getting extreme ambivalence about laughing at it.

The culture wars always have folk losing their mind. It's why I refuse to even think about them. You end up ranting about back street abortionists

I nip into the pub next to the train station with my mate for a couple of them when coming back from Edinburgh. EDIT: Normally a half pint of Guiness and whatever whisky my mate suggests

Went full circle with the thread name.

New tax announcements irrelevant to me, i'm poor as fuck. I think the real big difference is the 22% difference across a range of £6 or 7k whatever it is from £43 to £50 Between Scotland and rUK

You can pour warm (not boiling) water over the condensing pipe to thaw it. I appreciate this fix might not be great if in a flat depending on where it is situated. However that's a method if it happens.

You could go on about wage suppression as well for the last few decades. The problem is making that argument properly means having to go through and cite all the various economists and policies etc. I'm just too busy and also nowhere near as sure of my views as I used to be. 10 years ago I would have happily argued it for a month sure I was right. So we've got to a situation where there is a generally a lot more malcontent people working and it's been a long slow process of the movement of wealth into less hands etc. So now it's coming to a head and the result is going to inconvenience a lot of people. I would then say that the symptoms are being confused for the disease in this case. The striking workers being the symptoms and the long term political stripping of wealth being the disease.

The only number that really matter is the numbers in the vote for industrial action as that's the result that then sets everything else into motion. Latest poll i saw had 60 in favour 30 against as a percentage of those polled. Whether that is good or bad , depends i guess. Now I am in no way affected by the strikes in this sector so it's easy for me to not really feel strongly about them. However I am being pretty strongly affected by the RMT strikes and I support them so I would like to think that would carry over for teachers. I'm generally in favour of strike action if that is what the workers want. That's pretty much it. I can't find certain numbers folk keep talking about i've said that a couple of times now in this thread. Now the problem is if we suddenly got much more data could i be arsed then pouring over it all to understand it.

Everything is spin, like saying "far, far quicker" these are all rhetoric and not quantitative arguments. The reality is there isn't an objective answer just a collection of people assembling their arguments to why their opinion is right. The union voted for strike action for whatever reasons. The main one seeming to be folk want more more and are using their leverage to try and get it. How you feel about that will differ from each person.

30 years!

OECD that's what we've been discussing in the thread. What is the argument teachers should earn the median? Is that why it is being used as benchmark? Or is it comparing the relative wage to each countries median. "The most interesting for me is the fact that Scotland's education professionals are below (significantly below according to this report) the OECD average on pay at the top of the pay scale, where most teachers are." Was the claim earlier.

Well SNP are at least making good faith attempts at negotiating.

It's a fallacy of relative privation though with regards to conditions of other workers. Race to bottom on wages shouldn't be a thing. There's plenty of wealth it's just concentrated in the wrong areas. Teachers are making their argument (or their representatives are anyway) with their wage compared to teachers in other countries , there isn't an equivalent private sector for teachers really. There is for nurses if we count agencies and they get paid a fortune more and in better conditions.

Exactly when making comparisons you compare like for like. Not apple for orange. On the wage inflation thing. That's going the way of trickle down economics as perceived economic theory. Loads of economists are saying it isn't a factor here. In fact multiple academics plus testimony in the US (see Katie Porter session) have current inflation rates as supply side problems and 60% of that is price gouging by companies. Rest is lockdowns in China and obviously fuel and food problems from the Russian invasion of Ukraine and all the sanction fall-out from that. The vast majority just over half is from company profits. Mark Blyth goes on about earning calls, as does other economists, Jon Stewart had Katie Porter on his podcast and she talked about it in their expert witness testimony in Congress etc.

Fair enough! I just can't find the figure myself. I can see why you think what you do though and it's not a bad interpetation. I'd just like to see the figures if they are available. I was a tad surprised it was £41k for majority though, in my head it was about 4 or 5k lower.

The market will sort it out for teachers. They're already having to give folk £30 grand golden handshakes to get STEM teachers. Teachers never get the same level of sympathy. Look at the average person , they obviously didn't like school

OK I think i've got you now. I still can't find 20% less figure at all on EIS website. Which is why i'm asking it to be cited.

I thought £41k was the highest bracket for a teacher , point 5, maybe 80% of teachers are in the highest point bracket then. Where's the numbers coming from?

Pretty dangerous times with what is being described as right-wing groups using or planning to use violence to enact political change. German problems this time.