Caledonian Craig

Broon is a Labour man first and foremost and anything else is secondary to him. His passion for the union is simple. With an Independent Scotland Labour would never return to power in Westminster without the many Scottish seats. That is his real passion folks. Also why was Cameron keen to distance himself from the debate? Well secretly I hazard a guess he doesn't give a toss since the Tory party is virtually extinct in Scotland so with us Independent a Tory government is virtually assured.

Obviously he sings the national anthem without any feeling as the lyrics must abhor him.

The voice is too large and loud now to be swept under the carpet. The mongols in George Square last night are Neanderthals. They cannot see their ideal utopia crumbling as it surely is now. The Scots have shown the rest of the UK the way and now England, Wales and Northern Ireland want a piece of the action and their own parliaments. The union is crumbling before our eyes.

No I am not saying a couple of years by any means. Perhaps in the next five to ten years. After all 1.6 million is a strong call for a future referendum unlike what that petrified prawn Menzies Campbell was saying last night claiming the question possibly should never arise again. Whit? Almost half the population call for Independence and he feels the question has been answered forever? What a fud.

Nonsense. Look at the figures and I don't see the 45% turning back to the union. On the other hand watching TV reports yesterday many no voters were undecided until the last minute but opted for the safe option hoping for much from Westminster's pledges. Once they fail to deliver many of the no voters will be converts. Remember almost half of the population of Scotland voted for Independence - that is too loud a shout to be forever stifled.

So it doesn't make you ashamed? And on my doorstep? If you are talking of posts on this forum I don't see them specifically wishing death on an individual just anger vented at no voters. Also don't see them rushing around George Square acting like Grade A Fannies. Strike that - I must apoligise to Grade A Fannies everywhere as even they aren't that bad.

Yes so we have no voters wishing death on Andy Murray and rioting in George Square. What an odious lot eh? Must make you ashamed.

I think the no voters who voted believing promises made by Westminster are in for a nasty shock.

You mean like Andy Murray was for being a yes voter?

I am certain the Independence question won't go away after such a large proportion voted for it. The cork is now out of the bottle so to speak. It is all about how long Westminster can put off the next referendum. In Quebec I do believe it was an eight year wait.

Good post Donny. The decimalisation issue I am no expert on at all but felt Salmond won back some votes when (during one of the televised debates) he argued that why would the rest of the UK refuse them to use the pound as it would mean all debts would be written off which flummoxed Darling. Apart from that good post Donny.

Yes 45% is almost half of the population and Scotland's biggest city (Glasgow)and one of the other bigger towns (Dundee) voted for Independence. I think such a sheer size of the population means this question won't go away. It is more a question of how long can Westminster put off another referendum? If we get plethoras of more opinion polls in coming months and years with a swell in support coupled with unrest at Westminster policies I think the situation will have to be revisited some time in the not too distant future.

I know many feared loss of the NHS and that is just plain daft. The blueprint is there and in place for such a system to be replicated - I mean it is not as if the NHS is copyrighted in any way. Pensions were another fear (or loss of them). Well if that refers to state pensions that was never going to happen either but if that refers to work pensions well staying in the UK isn't safeguarding them as many have lost their work pensions in recent years. The currency question was a thorn in the side. Salmond was adamant they could and would keep the pound but the Better Together campaign said that wouldn't happen and the fear they put out scared people into a no vote. We need to work on that one - perhaps a new currency say Scottish pound but using the same decimalisation.

One thing that surprises me is that no push was made for a revote in say five years should the vote be as close as it was. I meann 55-45 would produce a hung parliament and re-election so SNP should have pushed for such a clause to be included. Especially, now if you consider 12.5% never voted.

Even the BBC site has reported it as loyalist/unionist group who charged at yes supporters.

I did note two distinctly English students on news reports wrapped in UJ's chuffed with the result so obviously they had a vested interest or ulterior motive in voting no.

Watching many many news items yesterday there were interviews with a lot of young couples who said they voted no but did admit to be close to voting yes but too many uncertainties chose them to take the safe vote. I think there are a lot (a heck of a lot) like that in the no vote that can be swayed by more Westminster incompetence in the coming days, months and years. On the other hand I cannot see the 45% going anywhere else other than up such is the strength of feeling there. The base camp for independence is now there when (if we are being realistic it has never been before).

With 1.6 million wanting independence that is too loud a voice to be ignored in the future.

I think it can. Many of the Glasgow yes voters were former Labour supporters fed up with their party now morphing into a more right wing party. With Milliband today saying he is against more powers for Scotland that will only push them and others (who perhaps voted no) over to a yes vote. As I said the Yes vote is far more united and steadfast than the no vote.

Ooops sorry. It has been a long day.

Bells Whisky, Di Rolla Ice Cream, teacakes not my thing anyway and plenty of alcoholic beverages not owned by Diageo.

Exactly. You kind of feel that this is a massive wake up call but we all know Westminster will continue with retarded policies and shoot themselves in the foot. Wait until they start bombing Islamic State or more corruption arises and the Yes voters will only grow in number. The way I see it is that the Yes voters are solid and are not for turning whilst there are very many waverers amongst No voters who are more liable to switch allegiance in the future.

You sound like Emlyn Hughes in BBC studio as pundit on the night of The Heysel Tragedy. I recall him saying exactly the same about it not being Liverpool supporters.

Polis have it under control now though. The loyalists charged at yes voters earlier according to reports.

So I watched the news earlier and saw Yes voters with Saltires in George Square without any trouble but the atmosphere changes when loyalists move in. Coincedence? I think not. Obviously, out for confrontation chanting Rule Brittania and GSTQ. Reporters liken it to a football crowd.