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Ok, but that's a different conversation. It helped a wee bit. But we only got 3 nations League points for that. If we had humped them like that in the first game then I think we would have been going to the WC.

If it is then he has totally changed his style. Not impossible, I suppose.

No way. This is far better than any of Chipper's monotonous shyte.

🤣 This four goalies thing seems to have grown arm and legs. Do folk not realise that none of the four goalies stopped somebody else getting in the squad? He could have made the squad for these friendlies, as big as he wanted. I really hope that this "four goalies" thing doesn't turn out to be Steve Clarke's equivalent of Levein's "no strikers" moment. 🤣

This is the best thread we have had for a while.

Fuck that, they are far too fast for me.

Two years ago. Things have changed. I think that even the OP has said he wouldn't sack him now. Apologies if I have got that bit wrong?

We were talking about bad results. I don't think anybody would say the game you mentioned was a bad result.

That was two years ago.

Who is saying he should go?

I think he knows exactly who his best 15 or 16 players are. I just hope they are all fit and available for the whole tournament but that's unlikely to happen.

I think you and I are pretty much in the same place on this one. He is doing OK and certainly isn't anywhere near needing sacked. I don't think I've seen anybody suggesting that he should be sacked? But as you say, nowhere near legendary status yet. The next 6 competitive games could change that though.

I think that getting humped at home by that Ukraine team was a worse result than the humping that we got in Dublin. If we had actually competed with them and got beaten in a close game, then that wouldn't have been so bad, but they ripped us apart in that game. We went out with barley a whimper. There's no doubt that our record in competitive games has improved, but the real test is our next 6 competitive games. If we win 2 out of the 6 and maybe get a draw here or there, then I would consider that a big improvement. We could easily lose all 6 though.

You are forgetting the most important one. Ukraine humped us at Hampden.

Christie has been one of our most consistent players over the past few years and you think he shouldn't be in the squad?

Can't see Hungary and Switzerland deliberately playing for a draw in their first game. We will already have 3 points in the bag, as we play the night before.

I wouldn't disagree with any of that. I'm not too bothered about last nights result. Results in friendlies aren't too important, IMO. I'm pretty sure our opponents in Germany won't be reading too much into it either.

No, squads almost never have 4 keepers in them.

I wasn't comparing them as managers. I was comparing their win ratios because somebody was abusing that stat to try to show that Clarkes record is better than it really is. I was merely pointing out that if you want to use that stat alone, and use it properly, then on that stat alone his record is no better than McLeish's

🤣 I think the rule says "minimum of 3" so you never know?

Is that you just getting back from Georgia? Did you have to walk all the way?

I don't think anybody is disagreeing with that. That bit is obvious.

I should maybe have added a "yet"

Should have stayed in the pub a wee bit longer.

The final 23 man squad has to be confirmed on 8th June, the day after we play Finland.