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It's not? Rumour has it that Brendan Rodgers had a "player selling" clause on his contract, like the one Jackie McNamara had at Dundee United. The £15m offer was declined because Rodgers would've gotten a percentage of the sale (around £5m), but now he's gone it'll pave the way for Tierney's exit. Rumour has it that Man City are looking at Chillwell, so that could signal Tierney's move to Leicester. I'll reiterate it again, if a team places a bid of £13-£15m Celtic will accept it. See? Logic and I are tight.

So, you're saying that a player's worth is ultimately dictated by the club he's with? I'm not disagreeing with you, just asking. I think we all rate Tierney, but the way that it is now, if Robertson was purchased then it'll be somewhere between £40m-£70m), whereas no team is willing to pay £25m for Tierney. And you could say that Tierney has more club experience, played more games in Europe, won more medals than Robertson, and he's what, 3 years younger? Are Liverpool bigger than Celtic? I don't know, but the EPL has certainly a far bigger reputation than the SPL. And that's the crux of the matter, an EPL club will never fork out £10m on a Scottish player who has never played outside Scotland. Visit most EPL club forums and they see our league as a team full of farmers. They don't value Scottish football. Well, I'm not disputing that Dembele has a better all-round game than Griffiths. However, I'd say that Griffiths might be the better finisher. Two goals against England is nothing to be sniffed at. Oh wait, Craig Gordon went to Sunderland for £9m a while back. That's the highest one that I can think of.

Are you joking? Andy Robertson was every bit the £10+ player when he was at Dundee United and every bit as influential as Van Dijk. So yes, 100% I think nationality comes into it. Mate, I think it was Lyon who bought Dembele from Celtic for £19m? Griffiths scored 40 odd goals in a season, do you honestly think that Celtic would've received an offer of £19m for Griffiths? We're talking about Scottish players because Scottish players play for Scotland. My initial point was that English teams generally don't pay top dollar for Scottish players.

I mentioned Scottish players because Kieran Tierney is Scottish and he's being linked with teams in England who would refuse to pay £25m for his services. Southampton paid £13m for Van Dijk, Hull paid £3m for Robertson. That's pretty much the point. £10m between them and yet they are both now at the same club and valued at the same price, give or take. My point is that people in England think Scottish football and Scottish clubs are absolute trash. If you want to argue that point then please show me an instance where an EPL team has shelled out a substantial amount for a Scottish player.

Alright, name a few more Scottish players who have transferred from Scottish clubs to English clubs in recent years. And quote the figures.

That would probably be our weakest midfield in history. Two English Championship players and one mid-table EPL player. And the scary thing is that it might actually be our starting midfield.

The only concrete bid that have come in for Tierney has been from Everton. He's been linked to Man United and Arsenal, but that's just paper talk. No top 6 team in England require a left back, so if Tierney did leave Celtic for the EPL it'll probably be to a club like Bournemouth, etc. He'd have to do what Van Dijk did and prove to people in England that he can play outside Scotland.

For example, in the "starting 11" thread I'll value the most recent team that a poster selected: McGregor (£1m) Tierney (£10m) Bates (£1m) McKenna (£5m) Robertson (£45m) Armstrong (£7m) McGinn (£3m) McLean (500k) Forrest (£8m) Fletcher (£3m) Fraser (£16m) Hopefully that's the cold shower that people need. In a world where players are going for £100's of millions we only have 3 players who are in double digits, million wise. And the midfield above is incredibly pathetic.

Not in Scotland it isn't. Transfers are rare within Scottish football, both incoming and outgoings. Only Celtic and Rangers can spend folding money on players. I've looked at the most recent transfers going out of Scottish football: Armstrong (£7) and McGinn (£3m). That's pretty much it. Is this the "trend" you're talking about? Scottish football is seem as garbage around the world, and so are our players, rightly or wrongly. If the old adage of "a commodity is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay" the Scottish football team would be worth very little.

I have literally no idea what the "trend of increasing transfer fees" means. What trend? The "trend" certainly doesn't apply to Scottish football. Andy Robertson went for £3m for heaven's sake.

Last June Everton placed a bid of £15m-£18m and they walked away when they were quoted £25m for Tierney There is no chance than an EPL side would splash £25m+ on a player playing in Scotland, ever.

There's absolutely no chance of a team from England shelling out that kind of money for a player playing in Scotland. Van Dijk went for £13m. £13m is pretty much the cap of EPL teams paying Scottish clubs. I could see Celtic accepting £10m-£13m.

Who do some Scotland fans think we are?! Kazakhstan aren't good? Yeah, well, neither are we. We have no divine right to expect a win against Kazakhstan, and to be honest, I can see us either losing or drawing against them. I have no zero confidence in these players or the manager.

Nah. People can't put me on ignore because they love me too much.

Yeah, it's been happening for about a day now.

But the guy was flaming me for stating the obvious. Why state the obvious by saying that I'm a wanker?

Well, fine, you also came in to agree with me.

Then I don't understand why anyone would enter a thread just for the sole purpose of insulting them.

You could certainly make an argument for it, especially with Kilmarnock doing so well, too. I think the bigger reason is that Livingston have been playing the same system for 3/4 years and all the players know their job inside and out and because of things it's more down to muscle memory. People keep saying that it's different at club level, as you train more, but we were restively successful in the 90s with a three and yet none of the players played it at club level. I'm no way saying that if we switched to a back three we'd transform overnight, because we wouldn't, but I would love for our manager to try it for a couple of years or so. I can't see it happening, though, even for another match.

And boost my ego even more? You sure that's wise?

It was? And this insulted or insulted you in some way?

You're obviously just backtracking. Why have you taken all this time to disagree with me if you actually agree with me? I mean, couldn't you just say "I agree", instead of wasting hours of your life? Doesn't explain why you called me a wanker, though.

So, that's your endgame? Telling me that you found me stating Souness was better than Shinnie to be pretty funny? Couldn't you have just said that in the first place? It's not just the 70s/80's, though. It's also the 90's. The 90's team under Craig Brown would pummel this team. A midfield of Lambert, McAllister and Collins vs our current midfield. They'd murder us. </more obvious comments>

True. Personally I just think Scotland fans have been so starved of any success (qualification) that they're willing to see shoots of improvement, even though they aren't really there. My opinion is that Scottish football is rotten, from root to branch. So much so that I think we'll never see a successful qualification campaign again.

Do, you're trying to score points off me going off a point that you agree with? I don't see every other Scotland fan saying that. I'm reading Scotland fans saying that we've turned the corner. I'm reading opinions by Scotland fans that our midfield is strong and that we have good players coming through.