JamDav1982

An Ireland side no better than Scotland have just won away in Austria as they looked water tight at back and frustrated them. Embarrassing.

Going by finishing in game I doubt he would have scored. Should have passed though.

Scary enough when play badly let alone play well and get beat 3-0. No coaching or idenity to that Scotland team at all. What are we? A team that wants to keep the ball? A physical team? A defensive team on break? Strachan has no idea what his best team is or how they should play.

There are plenty of inferior teams out that there that get by with great coaching and tight defences. This Scotland team are a shambles at the back game after game. Strachan has done noting to tighten it up and looks out of ideas.

Aye because we are shite and as bad as Lithuania. This idea that some tried to put forward as Lithuania being a decent side was complete bollocks.

Anyone who claimed that Lithuania are a better side than we realised need their head looked at they are pathetic and never a team Scotland should draw with either. Slovakia just hammered them 4-0.

His movement alone caused more problems than just about any other CF had in ages, although wasnt great on ball but had some decent touches. Strachan ignoring him then throwing him in away to England probably doesnt help either. Scotlands best CF by a mile.

Tactics not bad tonight but that defence is a shambles and full backs to easily beaten for crosses into an area where CBs cant mark. The damage was done before tonight though. He needs to go.

Marshal, Robertson, Fletcher, Mcarthur and Snodgrass last night. Those five been playing more important roles for their club sides down in England than players you mention. Dailly wasnt a regular by then anyway. If you want to compare man for man that team that beat Ukraine to the one that played last night for performances in England then majority compare favourably. We beat Ukraine with Pearson and Caldwell in midfield and last night had the WBA captain and one of Crystal Palace top performers in Macarthur.

Snodgrass, McCarthur, Fletcher, Robertson are up there as some of their sides best performers in England. A 19 year old that became Scotlands most expensive player ever. Based on performances for Scotland or in England? Players like Snodgrass will have a better season this season than anything McFadden did in England. Mcarthur is seen as one of Crystal Palace top performers as is Robertson at Hull. Fletcher is WBA captain. The English Premier League players we have now are performing as a whole than the ones we had in that win vs France etc. Just not for Scotland. That is on Strachan.

Yeah. How many regular English Premier League players played in the 1-0 win at home to France?

The 2008 squad wasnt significantly stronger than this one at all. Northern Ireland qualified by beating teams that had better squad. They punched above their weight with a poorer squad than Scotland and got there. Strachan has not finished above any country with a better squad and it is heading that way again. It is not all about qualifying for world cups it is about wanting a manager that gives us the best chance. Gets us plying a system the players seem to understand. At the very least consistently beat the teams you should be beating. If that happens and Scotland still dont qualify then fair enough. There is a big difference between not qualifying for a World Cup and being seen as a failure. Strachan has been a failure and needs to go.

No on is arguing against the quality of squad being average. Smith gave us our best run in harder group and none previous managers got as big a chance to qualify as Strachan did in the new Euros 24 team set up. I doubt any of them had a group as poor as this one to try and make a run at either.

Guess work for Smith and Mcleish. For Strachan it isnt he has been proven to not be good enough and even his earlier games were nowhere near as good as people made out.

For this qualifying campaign no one will get us qualified. It is not all about qualification or bust it is about getting in a manager who gets the best out the squad and gives us the best chances of making a good run at qualifying. That isnt Strachan. That is clear.

Plays in a way that a poor defence is less exposed. Goes out to try and out pass Slovakia with a midfield poor on ball and leaves defence exposed. We should have gone there and sat deep to protect the weakest area of team then try to hit them with pace on break. Strachan played a high defensive line, a midfield that tried to out pass them and no pace going forward. They just waited and picked us off with a defence too easy to get at. He had no plan. .

If the players are shit and not good enough to qualify why put them under the microscope? If they should be doing better and more can be expected then it goes against this idea that the players are shit and no manager can do better.

So Strachan should be doing better with these players?

Why do you want Strachan gone if it changes nothing? You keep repeating the fact that players are not good enough to qualify for major tournaments which is not true. Why do you bother even watching if that is the case. It is not all about qualifying anyway. We just need a manager that gives this limited squad the best chance and that man is not Strachan. He has proved that.

All things aside Allardyce would be a far better manager than anyone else Scotland could get their hands on. Will never happen though.

Poorer pools of players have qualified for tournaments under better managers. People accept the squad is average. You keep arguing against things people are not even saying.

That just feels like another couple names that have failed and failed until get Scotland job. Collins ends up hated by the players of clubs he is at. Need a set up players look forward going away to not another arrogant twat like Collins. The best set up we had in recent years was with Smith a defensive coach who organised the team and players enjoyed going away to play for Scotland.

No one as far as I can see is saying it is all on the managers and agree the squad is average. You seem to take the view that no manager could get this squad to a tournament or even do better than Strachan due to the players.

Cant think of many managers that get their teams to punch above their weights by constantly saying how poor their players are and they look like 'scared' footballers etc.