stevenmcn

Not unless he makes it known he'd be interested. Personally, I think he wants to stay in club football, but I'd happily take him.

Jesus. He's not what we need right now, he's another dinosaur that is out of the game for a reason. And as for having Gemmill working alongside side him, just look at how that worked out for far Sally.

So 2 failed campaigns aren't enough for you. Nah, you're right, get him back so that he can continue to make the same mistakes he made for 4 yrs and have us continue to be generally average. I've heard qualifying for tournaments is overrated anyway.

A lot of people just need managers to be slap bang in their line of sight before they mention them. They're too busy mentioning the likes of Smith, Ferguson and even Strachan to notice there's other guys out there who are capable of doing the job. In Clarke's case he's just now getting any recognition due to the Killie job.

Or maybe the fact that he's coached at the highest level as right hand man to one of the world's best managers, but aye, maybe its the Kilmarnock thing.

Most sensible people want him to stay gone. If, by some chance it became possible to get him back it would just be admitting that failure is acceptable.

I'd get him in now part time until end of season so he can a feel for it.

Well, generally clubs like to stay in the moneybags league so usually try and employ decent managers to achieve that. So Pardew and Allardyce are poor managers and dinosaurs, but Walter Smith is spoke about in the same category as Conte, Allegri and Ferguson? 😮😀😀

Exceptional managers aren't going to want to manage us, we're hardly a catch. Your right about the dearth of Scottish managers just now. There's still 2 managing in the EPL that we might have got if we'd been quicker, but apparently they're shite anyway. Who's the Smith you name with Conte, Ferguson etc?

McLeish has barely managed anyone in 3 years. Why do you think that is?

Why are people talking about his first 17-18 games in charge 6 years ago? N Ireland were crap and obviously had to be rebuilt from scratch. We are in a far better position and we should be looking at his recent results which are 12 wins and 4 defeats from last 20 competitive games. People can talk about who the opposition were in some of those games but there are few easy games at international level anymore, we have plenty of proof of that. Bottom line is he got it done, qualified for the Euros and was very close to the World cup. We've not been close in 15 yrs.

Don't really disagree mate, but at the end of the day we can speculate all we want and give our opinion but we don't know anything. The SFA are definitely incompetent in most areas, but I don't remember them approaching someone for manager and being rejected.

Took Bayern to a Champions League quarter final? Just about every manager they've had has done that, big deal. Michael O'Neill just took N Ireland to their first finals in 30 years, I'd say thats a bigger achievement.

Not if the contact came from O'Neill's side. What I was saying was that maybe, O'Neill was interested in the job and had let it be known to the SFA. Obviously I'm just speculating but you don't know what happens behind the scenes.

It wouldn't surprise me if they had made an arse of it, but as I said in an earlier post, maybe there's been previous contact with O'Neill and he's pretty much a sure thing, we don't know what goes on behind the scenes.

In the football world everyone is available to anyone for the right price. Contracts are just a way of determining how much compensation is paid. The Chinese league is a prime example.

I can't believe this actually has to be explained to people.

Think he lives over in America now anyway so would probably be pointless even considering him. For me Guus Hiddink would be the ideal candidate. Whether he's be interested is another matter.

Agree 100%, success is relative. Which is why I tend to look at the guys who have punched above their weight and not as much at what they've won, especially when discussing who could be our next manager. Its not like we're going to have the world's elite managers banging down our door. For me, Klinsmann and Bilic haven't punched above their weight. Yes they have had some decent results but mostly in friendlies. For the record I'm not saying I wouldn't take them as next manager if they were appointed, just saying I dont see them as the next big thing.

Of course, but I dont really view what they had as success. They, imo, achieved what they should achieve with those countries. What the likes of O'Neill, Lagerback (with Iceland) and the current Iceland manager have done is got teams to punch above their weight, which is really what we need. You could argue that now that Bilic has had to manage with a lower calibre of player at West Ham he's struggled.

Success with N Ireland outweighs success with USA and Croatia in my book. And besides, I'm not really sure they achieved anything out of the ordinary although I'm happy to be corrected.

Of course N Ireland is his country, but he's also lived here for plenty of years and must have some sort of affinity for Scotland. For all we know O'Neill or his representative have unoffically spoken to the SFA to let them know he would be interested in the job.

So what by have Bilic and Klinsmann done to make them worthy? Bilic just got sacked with only a 38% win record. I'd say O'Neill getting N Ireland to the Euros and a whisker away from the World Cup is way better than what Bilic and Klinsmann have achieved.

So, who are these managers? You seem quick to slate just about every manager as failed or doesn't have "the stats", so let's hear the names of these guys who match your high standards.

I'm pretty sure I remember the same debates on this board after Levein was sacked and yet Strachan was employed only a few months after Levein was gone.