Diamond Scot
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Over the past 20 years we have had loads of decent players. What we havent had though is european class players. Over that time we have had 1 regular at a top 4 club in a major league. That being Darren Fletcher who is a defensive player.
Would be interesting to look at the rest of Europes smaller nations and compare over same time period. Even at the moment Wales have 2 and off the top of my head they have had at least 2 more.
Our lack of ability to take our decent players and make them better is our problem. There are many factors in that. One being we have 2 huge clubs in a poor league who take alot of our better players, another is a lack of professonalism in our mentality. Until we change that we wont qualify for another tournament.
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33 minutes ago, Kirk said:
Mcginn will be playing at a decent level this year and looked good when hr got a chance. Gauld id agree needs to get some gsme time somewhere. Christie featured a bit at the end of the season and I think will play this year. Add to that the midfielders strachan overlooks/keeps on the bench and i think we woulf look better. Brown snd fletcher for me are done. Id givr griffiths a decent chance before writing him off, or Rhodes but thats not an option sadly. So we go with a non goal scoring striker.
As it stands McGinn will be playing at the same level this year as he did last year. Even of he moves it certainly wont be to the EPL where our 2 starting centre mids play. Fletcher played and captained every game in the EPL and McArthur was key at Palace. So thats he standard. Brown playing just in Scotland is below and the likes of McGinn and Christie are most certainly below.
Griffith has had chances. He went to play in England and failed. S Fletcher went to play in England and has mainly been a success. Alternatives to S Fletcher are people who have done well at that level. So that gives us Naismith and McCormack.
I agree we need to freshen things up but for me thats certain positions where our current players are starting to lack game time. Ie Patterson for Hutton. Phillips / Burke etc for Maloney.
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6 minutes ago, Kirk said:
Aye i agree, we need to play guys like Mcginn, Gauld, Christie etc
McGinn plays in the Scottish Championship, gauld not playing 1st team football and christie nowhere near starting 11 for Celtic.
Im all for using new or younger players but they have to be either better than we already have or next in line for a player who is in decline / not playing reguarly. Ie Patterson for Hutton.
Just playing new young guys will take us nowhere if these guys arent playing at a decent level. If you arent good enough to get into a poor Celtic team how are you going to fair against England and Slovakia.
Also who those who keep slating Steven Fletcher. Only Naismith and McCormack are credible alternatives. Griffiths is scoring goals but in much lesser league. He failed in England, has done nothing in Europe and nothing for Scotland. His movement is horrible, doesnt have international pace and simply isnt anywhere near the level required.
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18 minutes ago, brant grebner said:
If Pars fans had gone on the pitch at the last game at Broomfield to protect the Pars players that were attacked then that would have been okay?
If the players were being attacked then yes.
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11 minutes ago, SMcoolJ said:
Wow - we're having a lawyer-off!! I haven't commented on what JP's can hear or not. Also, I think you've misunderstood. I said your self defence plea wouldn't stand as an actual defence but that it might be considered a mitigating factor. Hopefully that clarifies. I wasn't trying to be arsey - you're sounding like your heading down that road though. Yes, there are circuit courts in Scotland and the phrase your honour is used if applicable. Yes, they are civil and not criminal. So again not applicable to this case but that wasn't what I said either.
Honestly not trying to be arsey. Was just trying to answer those that were saying any rangers fan on the pitch were automatically guilty.
If a fan came on, ran straight to a player being attqcked, three one punch or pushed the attacker away then would be covered legally under self defence.
Do i think thats what happend? No.
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1 hour ago, SMcoolJ said:
So it's wrong but actually it's right?! Aside from JP's there are circuit courts where both terms are used depending on the judge - in Scotland and England.
Anyway, as regards your actual point - I think your "defence", given the context here, may be considered a mitigating factor in sentencing at the very most.
That at all said, I would not be happy sitting and watching opposing fans laying into my players. I wouldn't take to the pitch, but I would be horrified. Disgusting scenes and wholly unacceptable.
And I could be wrong as i dont do civil law but im pretty certain circuit courts are mainly England and Wales and never for criminal, they are civil for things like small claims.
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56 minutes ago, SMcoolJ said:
So it's wrong but actually it's right?! Aside from JP's there are circuit courts where both terms are used depending on the judge - in Scotland and England.
Anyway, as regards your actual point - I think your "defence", given the context here, may be considered a mitigating factor in sentencing at the very most.
That at all said, I would not be happy sitting and watching opposing fans laying into my players. I wouldn't take to the pitch, but I would be horrified. Disgusting scenes and wholly unacceptable.
No its wrong. Offences of this nature arent heard in the jp court so your honour is wrong. Also i suggest you go and look up what self defence is. Its a defence. Mitigation is something completely different. Quite happy to discuss other elements of law that you are unaware of though if you want to continue.
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3 minutes ago, aaid said:
That may well be a defence, a pretty unsuccessful one I'd imagine though.
Given the likely circumstances id imagine you are correct. I was purely raising it in responce to those saying any rangers fan on the pitch was automatically guilty.
As i said earlier if i was at a Scotland game and fans were attacking Scotland players id be tempted to protect them. Obviously thats where id stop though and not run round throwing punches at anything in green.
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16 minutes ago, SMcoolJ said:
This isn't actually correct either. Depends who is presiding and what kind of court it is.....
Well actually it is. The only court where your honour is used is the jp court and an offence of this nature isnt allowed to be heard in a jp court.
Getting off topic though. I am purely pointing out that some Rangers fans may have a legal defence for being on the pitch as plently have asked why they were there. In reality id expect the vast majority to be on the pitch for other reasons and they should be dealt with accordingly.
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29 minutes ago, Dalgety Bay TA said:
It wasn't Rangers fans "job" to protect their players, that's the police and stewards, even though they failed badly. You do realise SELF-defence is you defending yourself, i.e SELF, not Lee Wallace? "Your honour, I came onto the pitch to protect Lee Wallace after some Hibbee went for him. I managed to pagger a few of them back but that was purely in self defence of big Lee.". FFS.
I think you will find thats exactly what it is. Self defence of another. The defence of another under attack. It matters not whether its your job or not. As long as the person only comes to the aid of big lee and then doesnt go attacking others legally he is ok.
And when trying to be smart also try and be correct. Its my lord in Scotland.
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Any Hibs fan who crossed the halfway line into the Rangers end have no reason to be there. None of their players were at that part of the pitch and therefore a reasonable inference can be made that at the very least they were goading the opposition fans. This in itself could amount to criminal behaviour.
As for those who ask why Rangers fand were on the pitch. If the reports are correct and players were getting attacked then self defence of another is a legal thing. Obviously some may be on looking for a fight etc but if you are looking at it from a police perspective what you have is all hibs fans over the halfway line with a case to answer, any hibs fan attacked a player with a case to answer and no defence and any rangers fan on the pitch with a possible defence in law subject to their conduct.
Ive got to say that if i was at a scotland game and i say scotland players getting attacked on the pitch i would be tempted to go and protect them.
Obviously again any rangers fan seen attacking a hibs fan nowhere near a rangers player also has no defence.
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19 hours ago, macy37 said:
Do you believe that is really the case?
Aberdeen, Celtic etc would struggle in that league then?
I believe that Celtic and Aberdeen would win the Portugese 1st division but that the style of football they played wouldnt be inferior in terms of technical ability.
That playing a certain way can only take you so far and for a player to go right to the top he needs technical ability and live like an athlete. I think the Portugese 1st division is a better league in that regard than any division in Scotland and therefore is a better place for young players to develop.
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10 hours ago, macy37 said:
He's 20 years auld now.
He should be playing football at a better level surely?
Portugal 1st div is a better level than the spfl though. Especially from a technical perpective. Gauld was saying he is miles behind the other players in terms of technical ability and he is one of our more technically gifted players.
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Less players break through at the top clubs but the ones that do have a much higher chance of being European class. Thats the standard of player we need. Over the past 15 years we have probably had 1 and thats Darren Fletcher. There is zero point in having 20 players capable of playing in Scotland. Our best players play for the Old Firm then move to lower level EPL sides. We need to flood europes top clubs with youth players and hope a cpl have what it takes to break through.
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All leagues can have poor and boring games. This is a seperare issue from the quality of the players. The fact remains that our best talent struggle to make the step up to other leagues whether that be in England with the Championship or the EPL or an example like Portugal. Gauld was one of our most exciting technical players and by his own admission he is years behind the players in Portugal technically.
The Spl has some exciting games but so does the English conference and nobody would suggest we should be picking our international players from there.
If any player in Scotland was viewed as being a very good player then he wouldnt be playing in Scotland due to the amount of money foreign teams have.
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So basically you are saying that no-one in Scotland's top league should play in a competitive game for Scotland. A bit strange.
Why is that a bit strange? Im not saying that there should be a blanket rule but more often than its a sound policy.
In general better players play in better leagues. So why not picked the best players? Both the EPL and Championship have a far superior standard of players so the bulk of our team should come from there.
Too often a player looks great in Scotland but turns out to not make the mark. Stevie May one of the more recent examples. In the same way a player does nothing down south. Cant get a game then comes up here. Plays for Celtic and looks amazing and all of a sudden they are a player. Commons and Griffiths being classic examples.
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Put him in the Sunderland side and he wouldnt make the bench. Just as he didnt make the bench for Wolves, even when they dropped down to the Championship and if i remember league 1. How much would he cost atm. Say 6 million at a push. Yet not 1 EPL or Championship club is interested despite that being pocket change for them. We need to get real to move forward.
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Its an impressive record playing for the dominant team in a poor league. Nomatter how many goals he scores he should not be in ahead of players scoring goals in better leagues. Leagues that he was a failure in might I add.
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Working in law myself one of the main things that struck me was the process and how different it is in this country. For the prosecution to release vital trial evidence via a press conference is wild. How they think that cant prejudice the case is beyond me. Also the way lawyers cross examine in court is very weak. Obviously we didnt see the entire trial but my take on it is that they asked a question such as was there any dna evidence in the bedroom or garage. Got there answer and moved on. Over here that would be about an hours worth of questioning alone.
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Paterson has abit of potential but still makes a hell of alot of mistakes. Good going forward but suspect defending. Alot of people really dont rate James Forrest but he had the beating of Paterson everytime a few weeks ago. Id probably play him in a friendly to give him a taste but until he moves to a league of a higher standard then I wouldnt be going near him in competitive games.
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Hardie doesnt count as he played about 11 minutes when the game was already won. He is exactly the kind of player that Rangers could have started instead of Miller today. One young player shouldnt weaken the team that much and if he does why is he at the club in the 1st place. Im not saying Rangers dont have a decent average age. Im saying games like today should be used to give a cpl of untried players some competitive game time as no doubt there will a time when they are needed but they wont have the experience.
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How many players starting today came through their youth policy. My post is more about taking the opportunity to bed in young players who cant be flung in during league games. Every player starting today would be considered a first team player. Look at what all the more forward thinking managers and clubs do in the lesser cups. They put in a couple of the best up and coming players. The Old Firm never do this and then when they get an injury or suspension crisis they need to chuck in a totally untried youngster.
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Watching the Rangers v St Mirren game. Surely this is the kind of game that Rangers could throw in a cpl of younger untried players to get some experience. I apreciate that they want to win every game but this is a nothing cup at home. You could easily play a younger attacker and maybe a midfielder or defender without significantly weakening the team. What benefit do the club get from playing Kenny Miller today? I hoped and thought Warburton might be a change but seems he has fallen into the old firm trap of winning every game without thinking of anything even remotely long term.
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Thing that concerned me about Scottish celtic players tonight was there total inability to pass the ball 10 yards when under any kind of pressure. Armstrong in particular was overhitting them or mis directing them whenener an Ajax player closed him down.
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Collins at Monaco and Lambert at Dortmund? Thats right at the 20 year point though.
I really do think this is our issue. We are so worried and critical when players leave Scotland young because they never go on to become anything. We would rather they got "game time" in a league where they will learn very little and at best become decent players.
Take Naismith as an example. When he was a teenager he went on trial at Arsenal. Should he have went there he most likely wouldnt have made it however if he did make it he would have made it big. What he is now is a run of the mill decent player. You could repeat that example 100 times with our players.