Diamond Scot
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50 minutes ago, slasher said:
What makes you think that the board can enforce reconstruction? They can't. Like everything else thus far there would have to be a vote. 🙅♂️
I could be wrong but I think there are provisions for the board to make the change without a vote. Doncaster said that he wouldnt use that option before the last vote so that would suggest to me that they have the power. Probably under some kind of emergency provision.
In any event it wouldnt be hard to structure a vote in way that clubs voted yes. Ie if the question was reconstruction or all clubs take an equal share of 10 million compensation.
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1 minute ago, Stu101 said:
The corollary to this presumably being that had the SPFL played by the rules, they would have no case?
More than likely but not neccesarily. If the rules are silent on the point then all sorts of legal scenarios could come in.
Im sure I read previously that there was nothing on the spfl rules about a season ending early. If thats true then any "decision" taken thereafter would be ope to challenge. The way civil law works is a series of 1) heres why you should side with me 2) if you aint with me on point 1 then here is my point 2. 3) if you aint wih me on point 1 or 2 then here is my 3 etc etc.
So it may well be that Hearts and Partick have several shots at success. Ie the courts might decide that the spfl had the power to end the season early and award the title but not the power to enforce relegation or promotion in the event of an early end to the season.
Or they might decide that they had the power to relegate however compensation would be due etc. So it wont be a straight win or lose situation.
I wouldnt be surprised if Hearts and Partick have front loaded the case with lots of questions about constitutions, processes not being followed and questions about the conduct of board members during the voting process. Add into that the vote itself and all the stuff about Dundee's vote.
The SPFL would then be faced with a situation where it might potentially take them months to gather all the info / lodge answers. Hearts and Partick will be allowed to do their own investigation, taking precognitions from chairman etc All of this may very well lead to the delay of the season starting.
My bet on all this is the SPFL board enforcing reconstruction based on 14-10-10-10.
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Hearts and Partick are taking legal action on the basis that the "rules of the spfl" were unlawfully changed. The fact clubs voted for it is irrelevent to their position.
The compensation will be based on actual and potential future financial losses and damge to reputation.
The big news on all the phone in's tonight is that part of the action is to prevent the 3 clubs getting promoted. I was going to say im surprised at the medias lack of knowledge but im really not. Its not Hearts or Partick intention to block promotion. What they will be doing is a legal tactic. Ie 1) the rules were changed unlawfully to end the season early. 2) if the court isnt with me on point 1 then the rules dont state that a club can be promoted unless all games are played etc etc.
Its a tactic to try and force the spfl to make the league bigger to occomodate. The same with any injuction to delay the season. They will know the finacial impact this will have regading he TV deal etc.
Also the idea that they can get chucked out the league is laughable. Take a minute to consider it. If a club has a grievence and takes legal action then it can be chucked out the organisation. What kind of dictatorship type approach is that. Courts would be all over that like a rash.
Just because something is a members organisation doest mean they can do anytjing they want just because members voted for it.
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54 minutes ago, kumnio said:
Quite literally couldnt disagree any more.
If he played and broke his leg do you think Bournmouth would offer him a 1 year deal on the same wages he is currently getting?
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29 minutes ago, kumnio said:
Ryan Fraser refuses to sign a short term extension at Bournemouth to finish the season. Poor show, lacks loyalty, commitment and decency IMO.
Or shows ambition and a level of selfishness often found lacking in Scottish players.
If he takes a couple of month extension and gets injured, where does that leave his career? Who pays for his rehab? Who pays his mortgage or any other bills whilst he sits on the sidelines. How much of a reduced deal does he have to take when fit again?
His stock is quite high atm. His contract has expired. He is 100% correct to put himself first imo.
Too many Scottish players over the years have done the "right" thing to he detriment of their career. When our good players get relegated with a club they never push through a transfer to stay in the EPL. Im hoping McGinn doesnt fall into this trap. He has shown that he is an EPL player, even if some of his team mates havent. Another year in the Championship will do him no good at all and probably set him back. You can bet your house that Grealish wont be sticking around if Villa get relegated.
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2 hours ago, Rolling hIlls said:
With all respect DS. Putting the ball in the net is not a new idea. Rangers are a great example. They played a lot of lovely football this/last season. Passed teams off the park but couldn't score. Alex McLeish had an interview on some channel a couple of weeks ago. He spoke about Gaurdiola. And Guardiola admitted that sometimes you have to play the ball long and nearer the goals. Not just tippy tappy. That was where Rangers fell down after January. They beat Celtic because Celtic opened up and Rangers played better on the day. But most sides Rangers or Celtic play sit really tight and wait for an opportunity. Celtic managed this better than Rangers. I am all for new ideas but putting the ball in the net is the main GOAL!! There. Tuesday morning rant over!!
As I said previously, the only time id go 2 up top is with a big target man. What the point of going long with Defoe and Morelos? Neither are particularly strong in the air. Wouldnt it be better to have more creative players in the team to break down the opposition.
Rangers had lots of possession and lassed the ball about but it was mainly in front of the opponents. Players like Haginand Aribo need to play in CM instead of guys like Kamara and to a certain extent Davis or Arfield.
More often than not Rangers went with 3 from 4 out of Jack, Davis, Kamara and Arfield. I wouldnt class any of them as attacking midfielders and only really Arfield offers any kind of goal threat.
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1 hour ago, Rolling hIlls said:
Aye. So play with none then like Levein did and made us the laughing stock of the world. And as for the earlier comment about Dalglish eating pies and putting on 2 stone during the summer. Really?
Managers all over the world have played with no strikers or the false 9. Problem is Levein did it with players who could never pull it off. That was his mistake.
Players in the 80s and early 90s reguarly put on weight during the summer. Their diets were horrible during the season and training was pre-historic compared to nowadays. So going back to everything that was done when we last quaified is just plain daft.
One of Scotlands biggest problems is being stuck in our ways. Closed off to new ideas or change.
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3 minutes ago, Rolling hIlls said:
Football is all about scoring goals ma pal. Its a simple game. This has been coached out of our young laddies for too long. The proof is always in the pudding.
Ok so why not play with 10 forwards then? Surely any team who did that would be unbeatable.
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24 minutes ago, Farcity said:
Why should United and Inverness get promoted when they have done fuck all then, by that token.
Highly unlikely. Hearts won 4 games out of 37. What makes you think they are suddenly going to overhaul their gap? They wouldn't and most Hearts fans will admit this . The very nature of the split means that when one rival loses, the other gains.
Nobody is saying Utd or Inverness have done fuck all.
Would Hearts or Partick defo have moved up a position. No. But 2 points with a game in hand or 4 points are hardly insurmountable.
If your point is that Hearts have been so rubbish all season then that wouldnt have been possible then why were St Mirren only 4 points ahead. Logic would dictate that they must be pretty shocking aswell. Hence why theres a fair chance things could have changed.
Teams make late runs to get out of relegation places or get into promotion places all the time.
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4 minutes ago, Rolling hIlls said:
Before I go. What was the Aberdeen formation when they won the cup winners cup?
Thats like saying what was the fighter plane the last time Briton won a war so lets go back to the spitfire.
Life evolves and if you dont evolve with it you are left behind. Which is why we have not quaified. Dalglish etc all ate chips and burgers and put on 2 stone over the summer. Should we be getting our players to do that aswell?
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28 minutes ago, Rolling hIlls said:
Football is about scoring goals. That is why there are two nets. Not about holding mid or whatever you want to call it. It is about scoring goals. Dalgish and Jordan never bothered about that pish. They just played their own game. So. Am I wrong? We haven't qualified for over 20 years?
So why play with a gk or defenders then. Surely going by your logic 3 forwards would be better than 2. 4 better than 3 etc etc.
Football isnt about scoring goals. Its about scoring at least 1 more than you concede.
To do that you need to create chances whilst limiting the opposition to chances. Formations need to be flexible. I imagine thats why variations of 433 have become the norm as they allow 2 extra men both in attack and defence whilst keeping the centre of the park populated.
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1 minute ago, Rolling hIlls said:
Football is a simple game. You play your best players. Simple. I coach a young team and wont be looking at the Largs examples. I will let the laddies play and express themselves. Scotland has been coached out of football and tournaments for too long. Roxburgh, Brown and Levein. They have you believing it too. You play your best players in whatever system you want.
Football is not a simple game hence why all the best nations / teams have an entire workforce working on all sorts of nutrition, data and tactics analysis.
You can stick all your best players out at youth level and they will win because other youth team players wont deploy or implement proper tactics. But as soon as they reach an age where teams can do that you will find your best players not getting the results you think they should.
Why do you think managers like Mourinho and Guardiola have changed the game? Its their attention to detail and ability to create tactical opportunities whilst not givin them away.
The days of just sticking players out and telling them to play their own game are long gone my friend.
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8 minutes ago, Rolling hIlls said:
Why not play with two up front?
You could do but very few teams do it nowadays as it makes controlling the midfield much harder. IMO Rangers would create less chances with Moreles and Defoe playing together. Teams would pack the midfield and sit deep.
Playing a 433 with attacking full backsand only 1 holding mid means 6/7 attacking players at any given time.
Celtic have shown how playing 1 up top with wingers, attacking full backs and 2 creative midfielders works well against teams who sit but also allows them to be solid defensively.
The only time id switch to 442 is if I had a target man who Moreles, and the wingers could work off.
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58 minutes ago, Farcity said:
So you'd tell Dundee United to ram it and stay down for another season?
Also just imagine the only issue to be settled was the Premiership relegation, now swap Hearts with Livingston, how much chatter would there be about reconstruction? Not a word.
Where have I said Dundee Utd wouldnt get promoted? Ive said a 14 team top league would mean Hearts and Partick not being unfairly relegated. This would also.mean Utd, Inverness and Falkirk getting promoted and both non league sides getting entry into the league instead of unfairly being prohibited.
Hearts have been rotten this season. So have Partick. But this isnt the same as either league winners as imo both Cletic and Utd were vastly in the distance ad highly unlikely to be caught.
That cant be said for Hearts and especially Partick. Both clubs had a more than realistic chance of moving up a position. All Partick had to do was win their game in hand.
If Hearts are successful in legal action what then? Forced recontruction? Leagues cant start or more likely compensation which could easily run into 7 figures. Are all the SPFL clubs going to take their share of that cost?
On a side note if it does go to court then Rangers will get their independent investigation through the back door which will carry a lot more weight. Could get messy.
As I say though. I generally cant see the downside for any club with the proposal just refused. What does a club like Motherwell just as an example (i dont know how they voted) have to lose. Top 6 is still top 6 but less likely of being in the bottom 2 because in theory 2 weaker sides have been added to the league.
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Rangers consistently played with 2 and sometimes 3 centre midfielders who are defensive or rarely score. I think this was a major difference when it came to playing teams who sit in and make it hard to create chances. Rangers would reguarly go 1 up and control the game but that always gives the other team hope. Celtic on the other hand are able to kill off teams when making the breakthrough.
If Rangers played with just Jack sitting and played the likes of Hagi and Aribo beside / in front of him then I think they would pose much more of an attacking threat without being more vulnerable at the back. This would be similar in style to Celtic with McGreggor and Christie in front of Brown.
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I honestly cant see why clubs would vote this down. No unfair relegation, no clubs effectively relegated by having less leagues, 2 non league sides not denied chance at entry, bigger top division therefore decreasing chances of relegation for the bottom half clubs.
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Just because members voted for something doesnt make it fair (or lawful).
If I was involved with Partick or Hearts id defo be taking legal action. Its not just the football side of clubs that suffer with relegation. Loads of non footballing staff tend to lose their jobs.
Imagine your club was 2nd in the league. 2 points behind with a game in hand. Clubs then vote to end season and the title goes to the team currently sitting in 1st. Are you saying that you would just accept this and say that as the clubs voted for it then its fair?
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I dont understand why people are getting on top of Hearts so much. They didnt finish bottom. They were in bottom place when season was brought to an end early.
If you ask any manager whether they its possible to make up 4 points over 8 games when a min of 5 of those games are againstbhe teams around you then every single one of them would say yes.
Partick in particular got shafted and should not be relegated. They had a game in hand which if won would have moved them off bottom. Are people trying to say that Partick werent capable of winning a game?
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ICT strip is horrible. Worst yet. Even lools like the socks are a different colour to the shorts.
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Dundee kits a very smart. Especially the away one. Think the Killie and Celtic tops are decent considering the limitations on design.
Not a fan of the Motherwell away.
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We need to deal with the reality though. The Old Firm arent going anywhere, TV deals will continue to be based on 4 OF games per season and non OF clubs will continue to be dependent on OF visiting fans. Any proposal needs to be based on these realities. You cant just wish things different.
Fans talk about an expanded Prem with clubs playing each other twice. Chairman however say their clubs would go bust if such a thing was to happen. For a start the TV deal would be more than halved. Then you take away half the number of games at home versus OF. Clubs cant afford that drop in revenue.
So try suggesting something realistic. What changes would you propose?
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Whether colt teams are a good idea or not, surely we can all agree that changes are required. Personally I would make the SPFL for full time teams only who have to meet certain criteria on youth investment. This would probably mean we only have enough teams for 2 leagues. Id then have 2 up and 2 down between these leagues and have a more generous TV split spread over both leagues. The thinking being that relegation would be less of a financial doomsday.
The obvious downside would be that it would be a closed shop with no relegation from 2nd tier and that it would exclude part time teams however much like junior teams have a place in football, i think part time teams should have their place. It just shouldnt occupy the same space as full time professional football.
The hope being that with less financial concerns over relegation and increased spending on youth, over time some.of our bigger clubs could close the gap to the Old Firm. Out of our biggest clubs outside the Old Firm, the vast majority of them have been relegated in the past 15 years. That cant be good for either short or long term planning and growth.
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42 minutes ago, Farcity said:
Your saying it's a big thing across the major leagues. It blatantly is not. You picked out Messi, the visionary that you are. Those same players would have played for the u19s etc. Playing for Barcelona B didn't make Messi, if you think that when we should just leave it here.
It basically doesn't exist in Italy, France, the Germans don't prioritise it, the only ones that out any stock in it are the Dutch and Porto/Benfica.
There is a very good book called The european game. The secrets of European footballing success. Read the section on pathways for an insight into the development of players.
If it was just Messi then you may have had a point however its not. Some of Spains best ever players developed in their B teams. Guys like Raul, Casillas, Juanfran, Arteta, Pedro, Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta and guardiola.
Just some players to.come.through in Germany include Mario Gomez, Leno, Khedira, Hummells, Muller, Lamb and Schweinsteiger.
The very fact you cite the Dutch and the Portugese as ones who put stock in it should be enough evidence. You are right though. What do the Dutch know about developing players and giving them a pathway to the first team.
Instead of me showing how it does work. How about you list the huge numbers of top european class players that Scotlands current system produces.
How many players have been developed through a Scottish clubs youth system, broke into first team, established themselves then went onto play for a top European club. Kieran Tiernay is the only 1 I can think of.
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3 hours ago, Farcity said:
Sure, when you come up with evidence to back up your claim that the colt system works in all the major leagues in Europe then we are back in business.
What evidence would you like?
Go look at the players who have played for colt teams and went on to be amazing players.
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Did he admit to downing tools though? Did he not say he lost focus and felt he was playing for himself rather than the team? Thats not downing tools.
Any human being is entitled to put themselves first when it comes to their future.
Realistically he is looking at a wage around 100k per week for maybe 3 or 4 years. You expect him to risk that to play 7 extra games beyond when his contract expires?
Knowing that any injury could result on him having no income until he is fit again?
Other than playing to best of ability when selected, players owe clubs nothing. Burnley just released Hart at the end of his contract because they dont need him to extend for the extra 7 games. Loads of clubs in Scotland released players instead of keeping them on furlough.
Clubs look after themselves, as they should and as players should.
Can you honestly say you would risk 9 months unemployment with no wage by extending your contract for an extra month?