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    12 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

    Is this a thing or is it just speculation? 

    I tried but they all think he is great and blame the media for everything.

    We send a bouquet of flowers to Nicola at the last meeting as she has had a hard time ..

    Speculation by observation and what’s being spoken about by members who I know,, I would be gob smacked if those two  did not see what is away to happen and start planning to stand,, KF will not be caught on the back foot this time 

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    6 hours ago, scotlad said:

    I find the way they've handled the latest (but almost certainly not the last) debacle, i.e. the HCA, baffling. Ignoring the rights and wrongs of the act, surely, following their experience with the GRR, they must have known it was going to be contentious, so why was it introduced just before Holyrood went into recess, allowing resentment towards it, justified or not, to fester? Why hasn't the Justice Secretary or the FM (considering it was his progeny in the first place) come out to explain the aims and the objectives of the act and defend it robustly?

    The only SNP MSP I've seen attempting to defend the act wasn't the FM or the Justice Secretary, or even a junior minister, it was some wee backbencher I'd barely heard of, thrown to the wolves and torn to shreds on Newsnight!

    i just dont get it tbh,, it was so evident that it was going to be another shit storm,, is it stupidity, lack of self awareness or something more sinister

    Indyref 2 (2)

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    19 hours ago, TDYER63 said:

    51% of scots voted for independence, not Alex Salmond. I know a number of folk who voted Yes but didn’t like AS. He didn’t do it all on his own there was a massive support from the indy movement. I think you are as blinkered on Salmond as the people accused of being blinkered on Sturgeon.

    The point I am making is we got so close with a leader who split opinion even within the YES side . It is not inconceivable to think a more likeable figurehead , with passion like Salmond  , could tip the scales. We need someone to give the public confidence. How  difficult can it be to get someone more charismatic than Rishi Sunak or Keir Starmer ? 😱 At a time when  2 talking donkeys are leading the opposition we go into battle with Shrek 🙄

     

    My point is, he was not nearly as decisive as most folk portray,, had salmond stayed on after the referendum I have no doubt in my mind we would be independent..I am not blinkered on salmond, i se him for what he is, damaged by a total witch hunt that hopefully come out in the wash 

    there has been no one, and I mean no one, more decisive than sturgeon. She has torn the party into bits all over identity politics, it’s insane folk can’t see through this. 

    Indyref 2 (2)

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    3 hours ago, TDYER63 said:

    Despite a few people on here having a bit of a love in with AS you are absolutely right, he was not a popular politician. He alienated as many people as he won over. He is a fantastic orator and extremely sharp, even his critics admit that, but there is just something that puts people off him. Think he is just a bit too smug for a lot of folk. 
    The one positive thing to take from this is that we got to 45% with a leader who was marmite. Getting the right person in charge is so important, but it’s not Humza. There was a footballing analogy used on here recently, well on a similar theme I would say that in the same way the national team is crying out for a quality striker to take us to the next level, the SNP need a quality leader to get us independence. We are so close, the polls are holding up after 10 years, but we need the right person to lead from the front. 
    I totally agree with Loon that the best we can do just now is have someone in charge of the SNP that will steady the ship. Independence is a lost cause till that happens. I think, like Dave78, a lot of people have bought into the media’s frenzied headlines and making certain controversial policies sound like Scotland is the only country in the world attempting them. The difference being these other countries are already independent and dont have a WM government and entire mainstream media criticising absolutely everything they are doing. 
    As far as Labour is concerned, I doubt any Child is smiling when things like PFI contracts are mentioned. One of many great Labour legacies.

    But but, … the ferries. 
     

    he alienated unionists correct, however he had 51% of indigenous scots vote for independence. 

    Indyref 2 (2)

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    1 hour ago, TDYER63 said:

    I dont doubt your commitment in anyway whatsoever, we just have different ideas on the best way forward. 
    Why do you think they wanted members leaving. ? I find it quite hard to believe they were happy to potentially sign their own p45. Although why a full analysis was not undertaken in respect of the membership drop is baffling. 
    Are you saying that all the people at the top are plants ? 

    I am saying that is extremely possible and more likely than not, intentionally harmed the party.. 

    Indyref 2 (2)

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    1 hour ago, Orraloon said:

    How did the "wokerati" (whoever they are) get into that position in the first place, though. They started at the bottom and worked their way up. Nae sniggers at the back of the class. Nicola didn't go cruising round the pubs, picking up folk she thought looked like weirdos, saying "Come with me and I'll stick you on the NEC". I know some folk might like think that was what happened, but it really wasn't. 

    well in my area they made a woman only shortlist for MSP selection, bullied anyone they didnt want to stand so we got karen adams and her merry bunch of woke hanger ons,, they sidelines any councilors they didnt like such as john cox,, i know for a fact this came from the top of the party as i knew a lady who was going to challenge 

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    3 hours ago, TDYER63 said:

    I agree. That is why I am still in the party and why I go to every bloody meeting no matter how frustrating it is and deliver shed loads of leaflets that may or may not make a blind bit of difference. I have recently delivered tons of YES ‘independence ‘ leaflets for the SNP , despite what some folk might think there is actually some action on independence. I voted for Kate Forbes , probably the only active person in my branch who did. I was as pissed off as the next person when she didn’t win and bloody raging at the open support Humza was given by MP’s and MSP’s. 

    However,  if I was so disenchanted with everything to the point I intended voting for another party at the election I would resign and I would make it very clear why. 

    we lost more than half our members and the top yins didnt give a shit or disclose to the party the mass exodus,, we need to ask the question why, IMHO they wanted that,,then the question has to be, why they wanted that? i put independence before party, my grandfather was one of the members from the old days who got the party a foothold in the northeast where they managed to build a base..i will not let these charlatans drive me from the party

    Indyref 2 (2)

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    13 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

    Dont take this the wrong way, but no one on here is in a position to advise either way, i have my reasons and i believe i will be proven right again,, i knew a lad who resigned in the heat of the moment after Forbes resigned, he tried to join right awa after realizing he made a mistake, thats him now rejoined after a year of battling to get back in

    meant to say Forbes lost ###

    Indyref 2 (2)

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    1 hour ago, TDYER63 said:

    I think like some others that you should resign. That sends a much bigger signal than pretending to support them then not voting for them. There is nothing stopping you rejoining the party to reshape it. 
    You would be able to say ‘ I told you so’. Remaining in the party looks like you are sitting on the fence . 

    Dont take this the wrong way, but no one on here is in a position to advise either way, i have my reasons and i believe i will be proven right again,, i knew a lad who resigned in the heat of the moment after Forbes resigned, he tried to join right awa after realizing he made a mistake, thats him now rejoined after a year of battling to get back in

    Indyref 2 (2)

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    14 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

    The worst thing any independence supporter could do is not vote at all. If you dont want to vote SNP then vote Alba , anything that still reflects the desire for independence. The greens are too vague , voting for them would never be seen as a definite vote for independence. 
    A decent swing to Alba would give the SNP a boot up the arse without it looking like the desire for independence is gone. AS would make sure of that , he is hardly a shrinking violet. 

    if alba stand in my area they will get my vote, 

    Indyref 2 (2)

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    2 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said:

    Utter tosh.

    A thumping for the SNP is a thumping for independence hopes and gives even less credibility to those of us who ache, crave and desire Scottish independence every day of our lives. 

    If you actually believe what you are posting resign your membership as that sends a bigger message to the SNP otherwise you are no more than a snake in the grass. Do as your hero did and resign and become a fully fledged member of Alba.

    I am happy with voting SNP as it prevents me being a supporter of this sham of a union. If you are happy voting for a unionist party and are not voting for a pro-independence party (at the very least) then you have no place on this thread.

    I know the SNP has problems but you stick with it. The other option - knuckle under to your unionist masters.

    no i will not resign as i believe that plays into the hands of those in the party who have driven the party down the wrong path,, there are sinister forces at work within the party, make no mistake on that,, again, i have been correct on pretty much everything since 2014,,i am not alone in thinking this, some very senior figures of the party are now coming to this conclusion,, sometimes a step back to go forward is required

    Indyref 2 (2)

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    2 hours ago, Hertsscot said:

    Can I just ask why, if you're so disillusioned with the SNP, that you're still a member? Would it not be better to resign and explain why you're not going to vote for them?

    I agree the SNP have been very naive about trans issues and how they've been weaponised. However I don't think there's any resurgence in Labour's popularity. If they win more seats in the UK it won't be because of any great love of Starmer. Here in Scotland, Labour (who only pretend to be Scotland's friends) will only benefit from voter apathy and the SNP not getting the vote out. Having said that there was a report last week that Labour still hadn't got a candidate for a third of Scottish seats! Personally I've yet to meet anyone who's told me they're switching from SNP to Labour.

    I will not resign as i believe in independence, when the shit truly hits the fan after the fourth coming GE,, those of us who have not used the snp to further some ideological policies need to be there to build the party back up,, i also believe the party has been compromised and influenced towards policies that hurt the party and independence,, i have been right about pretty much everything since salmond stepped down, and i am right about this

    Indyref 2 (2)

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    10 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

    I might want to take this back - and it is a global issue rather than an SNP one

     

    remember when i was getting a bit of stick for saying the trans bullshit would not be forgotten about in a few weeks? another one to mark off my list as being on the money,, next one will be labours resurgence that i called when they were polling at 2 seats

    Indyref 2 (2)

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    7 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said:

    I am voting SNP. No way am I putting a cross in the box of any  party whose vote is perceived as a vote for this corrupt union. If others on here wish to 'support the union' bash on and vote Labour, Tory or Lib Dem but whatever your reason for doing it it will be chalked up as a vote for the union.

    I cant and i wont vote SNP at the next election,, as a member it is a hard thing to do however i honestly 100% believe that thumping at the next election is the best thing not only for the SNP, but for independence in the long run,, the worst thing possible would be for the result to be just good enough to keep the idiots in charge of the party,, sturgeon and her legacy eh?

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