Barney Rubble
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I wasn't being serious about Ralston. As things stand, he's not an upgrade on O'Donnell.
If Patterson doesn't get games and Ramsay continues his impressive start, then Ramsay should at least be called into the squad for Clarke to have a closer look.
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43 minutes ago, Malcolm said:
I don’t see much game time for Patterson this season. I think o donnels place in the team will remain unchallenged?Anthony Ralston seems intent on mounting a challenge....................................😉
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Vertical drinking.
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52 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:
I only ever used the upvote and haha, I do think humour is essential . Occasionally used the wee cup if someone helped me out but an upvote was just as useful in those situations. The other 2 emoticons were unnecessary negatives, if you dont agree with someone have the balls to argue your case, not hide behind an emoji.
Upvote from me.
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13 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said:
Ok fair enough, I have never mentioned anything about Ukraine in this thread so why you would randomly bring them up is strange.
They never qualified for 2004 and 2008 euros. They had a great wc 2006 but apart from that I wouldn't say they were a top tier nation. I also don't remember them being considered a top nation around that time and it wasn't considered a massive upset that we managed to beat them. Compare that with the two France games where we really didn't expect to get anything then I would say they were not a top nation during that period.
OK have it your way.
Ukraine were absolute non-entities and our result against them, despite their status at that time, can be discounted.
Does that sound better?
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5 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:
I know they got to the World Cup QF but didn’t make Euro 08. Is that enough to be top tier material? Even we made them look ordinary at Hampden.
In the interests of balance, had a look at their record in detail:
Including WC 2006, 2006 - 2008 all games (34)
Lost to Spain, Italy x 2 , France, Scotland and Netherlands - no other losses.
Several decent draws (Italy, France), but no victories against high ranked sides.
So in fairness, perhaps their ranking was skewed by WC 2006 performance.
Still taking it as a significant scalp for Scotland at that time though - because it was!!
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1 minute ago, mccaughey85 said:
I am guessing you meant this for the other thread buddy. Tbh I can see why they might of been considered by some ppl to be a top tier team but I am not sure, what was their rankings at that time? Not that I am suggesting that's the criteria, just interested.
No, fully intended for this thread.
No mistake, they were a top-tier side at the time, and not just because of Shevchenko.
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Just now, mccaughey85 said:
To me a top tier country is Argentina, Brazil, Germany, Italy, England, Portugal, Spain, France, Netherlands, belguim(although they haven't always been) . Then there are maybe another 4 or 5 countries who go through spells where they are in the top tier. Like Croatia and Denmark are top tier right now imo.
I would say there are about 14/15 top tier nations at any given time.
Ukraine were certainly top tier material 2005 - 2008.
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11 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said:
The D v germany was a good result. Not sure I would count Ukraine as a top side though.
They were WC QF the year before.
Damn right it was a bloody good result - even more so in the context of the composition of the group.
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30 minutes ago, Texas Pete said:
Fair enough but Argentina haven’t won anything of note for 35 years unless you count the Copa America (which I don’t) and even then they last won that in 1993. They have also won the same number or world cups as France. I’m not sure you can legitimately count Argentina as a top tier country but not France.
As much as I hate to admit it I would need to put England above Belgium and Denmark They’ve won the World Cup and have also been to semis and now a final of major tournaments in the last 30 or so years. You could argue Denmark are above them due to winning Euro 92 (which they didn’t even qualify for) but Belgium have won hee haw.
Denmark winning Euro 92 was a stunning achievement by any standards.
And that'll be Belgium who were runners up in Euro 80, and third in WC 86 and 18 (beating England to achieve it in the latter case) - ahead of England in all three of those tournaments?
You've not really thought this through have you?
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W v Ukraine 2007, D v Germany 2003.
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19 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said:
Why don't you go back and read over the posts regarding o donnell a few days ago. Most were criticising him and berating him. Now after a decent display against England it's swung back the other way.
I don't mind o donnell, think he's done OK overall in his Scotland career but he's certainly a limited player who goes from hero to villain pretty quickly on here. My views on him are not based on 1 or 2 games. I don't mind him covering the right wing back position but truth is I think there is better options in fraser or forrest.
Also I don't actually have a hard on for Patterson but I think it's clear from watching both that Patterson has a far higher ceiling than o donnell and I will be shocked if o donnell is our starting right wing back in a couple of years.
As a Thistle fan, I've had the benefit of watching Stephen O'Donnell for ten years now. He has not achieved his current status as Scotland's first choice RB/RWB through being a limited player. One other factor to bear in mind - what position did the current national team manager play? Not only that, the current manager was his club manager for two seasons or more. All valid considerations.
Nathan Patterson may well go on to become Scotland's best RB/RWB since Danny McGrain - and I sincerely believe he could be that good if he shapes up defensively - but not at this moment and probably not for a year or so.
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Dunno - BBC had McFadden on before the Hungary-France game, and Souness spoke well about the team pre the Portugal-Germany game.
And it was fun to hear the English pundits rip into the weaknesses of their own team. Gary Neville in particular was scathing.
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Double post.
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4 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said:
Are you talking about the England game?
He played well against England but his overall Scotland career has been hit or miss. He looked quite poor against the Czech. Not saying he was terrible but he doesn't offer much going forward imo.
A player can be limited in ability and have a good game. O donnell is limited ability wise, he does have decent games and then has poor games. I don't mind the guy but I would prefer Patterson or even fraser against weaker teams where we need to be more attacking and long term I think we should give Patterson the position.
We get it that you have a hard-on for Patterson - the same man who has yet to get ahead of Tavernier in the Sevco team.
That's not a reason to spout pish about Stephen O'Donnell who is hands down the best RB/RWB available to Steve Clarke for this tournament.
He's been more than reliable for Scotland in his 21 caps to date - and has contributed to several goals in that time too, most recently against Luxembourg.
Honestly - you are embarrassing yourself with this view.
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Stephen O'Donnell was exceptional last night, especially after the rubbish that's been written about him since Monday.
That's the proper credit he is due, not tedious caveats about him being limited and him holding the jersey while Patterson or someone else gets up to speed. Steve Clarke picks him for a reason.
Further credit to him for his dignified and measured post match interview.
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4 minutes ago, Rolling hIlls said:
Ditto. Nice to know who are the bigots on here are now though. They haven't had the guts to appear again and apologise.
Take a break RH - you've laboured the point now.
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4 minutes ago, DAVIDB46 said:
We he has bowed to the gilmour hype , let’s hope he lives up to it
Have to agree, we all want this decision to work well.
It's less of a risk than blooding Patterson in this game though - he's nowhere near ready for this level of test yet.
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2 minutes ago, Third Lanark said:
What does McGregor in midfield give us that McTom can't? His physicality will be missed I think. And Clarke said that McTom would play his club role in the Euros.
Speaks volumes for what he thinks about Hendry's performance on Monday.
Doesn't trust his decision making.
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37 minutes ago, Taylor1996 said:
Well, Steve, one thing he did wrong was let John McGinn get doubled by Czech players, and not see the danger, leading up to the first goal.
9 minutes ago, scotlad said:Got the ball stuck under his feet in about the second or third minute, there's another.
His "best", though, was when he managed to completely get in Ryan Christie's way when Christie was making a good run into the box.
Change the script lads, please.
That one was already recited to tedium on here on Monday night.
Let's get behind all of the squad for the upcoming games instead - irrespective of whom the manager picks to start.
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42 minutes ago, ProudScot said:
Forrest is never in the frame for right wing back
Played there for an hour v Netherlands.
So of course he isn't.
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1 hour ago, aaid said:
One thing that would concern me is that the commentator mentioned that Paterson had only lost 2 of the 22 senior games he’s played in. Obviously that’s because he plays for a team who went through the season unbeaten, however a big part of the way Rangers is for both full backs to push forwards as much as possible, hence the number of goals Tavernier scored this season.
Our other flank is by far our strongest with Robertson and even Tierney showing he’s not afraid to get forwards from centre back.
That’s all good stuff if you are playing against teams you can dominate, as has been the case for Rangers domestically. I’d have some concerns that Paterson just might be a bit too inexperienced to know when to push on and when to hold and cover and that could cost us in a competitive game.
That will come with experience but I think this tournament might be a bit too soon for him, a good option of the bench though.
All good points.
I get the impression that Clarke sees Patterson as a serious option after this summer, and his current inclusion may be more attuned to get him acquainted with the standards required to be the first option.
Fraser and Forrest are way ahead of him right now as back-ups to O'Donnell.
Yes - you did read that right.
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Patterson.
Got done for speed twice defensively.
Had four opportunities to hit the byeline and cut inside every time.
He's one for the future but not for this tournament - barring something unfortunate to other players.
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1 hour ago, Burj_Alba said:
And whilst we are at it, quick aside, when was the last time two ex Partick Thistle players ( sum proceeds 200,000) scored for Scotland. Probably never.
Mo Johnston v France in March 1989.
Mo Johnston v France in March 1989.
Travelling to Denmark or Austria
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Caveat emptor.