Orraloon
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This is the best thread we have had for a while.
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1 hour ago, Bzzzz said:
Anyone ever tried ferret racing?
Fuck that, they are far too fast for me.
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4 hours ago, Third Lanark said:
Title of the thread?
Two years ago. Things have changed. I think that even the OP has said he wouldn't sack him now. Apologies if I have got that bit wrong?
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4 hours ago, todd said:
And we humped them even more at Hampden after that! Has everyone just forgotten about that game or what? 🙄
We were talking about bad results. I don't think anybody would say the game you mentioned was a bad result.
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1 minute ago, Squirrelhumper said:
Should maybe changed the title of the thread then!
That was two years ago.
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1 minute ago, Third Lanark said:
I will only accept folk saying Clarke should go if they can suggest a credible replacement who would be willing to take the job. I can only think of Michael O'Neill and he turned us down.
Who is saying he should go?
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2 minutes ago, Scotty2Hotty said:
This for me also.
I remember when we were going into the last euros high on confidence thinking we were gonna do well especially being the home team then we got a tanking every game...
I have a feeling the same will happen again as we are not learning from past mistakes and still can't decide on what our best 11 is or formation considering the options we have available
I think he knows exactly who his best 15 or 16 players are. I just hope they are all fit and available for the whole tournament but that's unlikely to happen.
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10 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said:
And there was the games against Slovakia and Isreal where a point would have got us promoted to the top nations league group.
Guess the three games at last euros didn’t matter either.
Overall he’s done ok but I would hardly say he deserves the legendary status some are offering him.I think you and I are pretty much in the same place on this one. He is doing OK and certainly isn't anywhere near needing sacked. I don't think I've seen anybody suggesting that he should be sacked? But as you say, nowhere near legendary status yet. The next 6 competitive games could change that though.
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15 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said:
Ukraine are a decent side and are easily capable of beating us.
I am talking about games that we are expected to win.
We won't always beat sides like Ukraine. The best we can hope for is that we beat sides like Ukraine more than they beat us and that we consistently beat sides that are weaker than ourselves. Clarke has mostly done that.
I think that getting humped at home by that Ukraine team was a worse result than the humping that we got in Dublin. If we had actually competed with them and got beaten in a close game, then that wouldn't have been so bad, but they ripped us apart in that game. We went out with barley a whimper.
There's no doubt that our record in competitive games has improved, but the real test is our next 6 competitive games. If we win 2 out of the 6 and maybe get a draw here or there, then I would consider that a big improvement. We could easily lose all 6 though.
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21 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said:
How many bad results has Clarke had in competitive games?
I can only think of Ireland away. I think we lost to Israel as well but thats all I can think of.
You are forgetting the most important one. Ukraine humped us at Hampden.
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5 minutes ago, Stockholm 1980 said:
The problem Clarke has made is in not giving enough uncapped players a chance or game time. There is no width or proper wingers in the squad and wingers are the best way to get behind a team like N.I. were last night.
The lack of a decent striker doesn't help but we usually found a way of scoring from Midfield or Defenders for the last two years or so.
He is likely to go to the Euros with no one new from those who are in or have been in recent squads, but as soon as we are knocked out 6/8 of that 23 man squad will never play again, so you could argue these 6/8 shouldn't be going
For me these are
Kelly Clark Patterson Souttar Taylor Christie Adams
Christie has been one of our most consistent players over the past few years and you think he shouldn't be in the squad?
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2 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said:
Results in friendlies don’t matter. The point of them is to learn the value of the players in the squad. Clarke didn’t do that.
Regarding our opponents in Germany, it’s not hard to see them drawing their opening games in the belief that we are the weakest link and they both expect to beat us. I think both countries would bite your hand of to be in a situation were beating us meant qualification.Can't see Hungary and Switzerland deliberately playing for a draw in their first game. We will already have 3 points in the bag, as we play the night before.
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1 hour ago, Squirrelhumper said:
Ok then, we'll use qualification records instead.
By the end of the year, Steve Clarke could be 2nd only behind Craig Brown in games managed. He has already managed Scotland in more than double the number of games that McLeish did, so of course you'll have sticky spells.
McLeish also never played likes of England, France, Holland etc in friendlies. He also inherited a great side from Smith. Clarke inherited a car crash from McLeish.
Last night was utter dross, not one person would say otherwise. Players, management etc all take blame for that.
I wouldn't disagree with any of that. I'm not too bothered about last nights result. Results in friendlies aren't too important, IMO. I'm pretty sure our opponents in Germany won't be reading too much into it either.
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17 minutes ago, StirlingEgg said:
Is 4 fairly standard across national team selections? Genuine question! Just wondered re tactics/thinking behind it; is it to address potential injury or different strengths like penalties?...
No, squads almost never have 4 keepers in them.
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14 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said:
Unbelievable isn't it?!
Place is full of miserable sods that clearly know next to fuck all about football.
If we start losing 3 or 4 competitive games in a row (we won't) then maybe then start to worry.
Folk would have sacked him after Dublin (in a group that he won) and then went on to qualify for the Euros with some ease.
Some place this, it really is.
5 years ago, some of the same players were getting rode rotten in Kazakstan managed by the manager some on here are comparing Clarke to!
I wasn't comparing them as managers. I was comparing their win ratios because somebody was abusing that stat to try to show that Clarkes record is better than it really is. I was merely pointing out that if you want to use that stat alone, and use it properly, then on that stat alone his record is no better than McLeish's
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4 minutes ago, Hertsscot said:
Please not four goalies!
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I think the rule says "minimum of 3" so you never know?
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Is that you just getting back from Georgia? Did you have to walk all the way?
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11 minutes ago, trout101 said:
Call it selective if you want but the point remains that a) we have a terrible record in friendlies and b) we have performed well in our last 2 qualifying campaigns under clarke
I don't think anybody is disagreeing with that. That bit is obvious.
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Just now, TDYER63 said:
A belated thanks for being the only thing that made me smile last night.
I should maybe have added a "yet"
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1 minute ago, TDYER63 said:
It was utter shite. Was so efficient it got me in 30 mins early. Please can we go back to missing the entire first half.
Should have stayed in the pub a wee bit longer.
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10 minutes ago, Toepoke said:
Ah right didn't realise that 👍
The final 23 man squad has to be confirmed on 8th June, the day after we play Finland.
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4 minutes ago, trout101 said:
I just took it from a tweet I saw earlier which stated 15/21 qualifiers we have won vs 2 in 19 friendlies. I know which ones I'd rather win.
Ok, so you just repeated somebody else's selective stat. That's fair enough. That's what folk who use stats, to back up their argument, often rely on. They know that most folk will just take those stats at face value, and not bother to check the real significance of those stats.
I think Clarke is doing a good job and I'm not too bothered about friendly results. I'm sure he will be learning from them.
I don't really care whether folk are slagging him off, or think he is a god. I just like to point out when folk are manipulating stats to try to back up their argument.
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45 minutes ago, ProudScot said:
Anyone not worried about our form or what’s coming out of Steve Clarke’s mouth is in denial.
He says he needed picked up by the players after Friday night & after last night he’s said it wasn’t our night and peaking now doesn’t matter it’s about peaking in June…
30 mins in last night we went 451 but we don’t have a single winger in the squad so we had no width or penetration. The ability to see issues and change things - I don’t see any of that in any of our last… 5-10 games.
The make up of the squad for June should have changed following these results; less Kenny McLeans & Greg Taylor’s & more Ryan Frasers & hopefully someone who can create, breakdown & be effective in the final 3rd ie Ryan Gauld potentially? Surely we try these guys in the next friendlies!
I think it's too late for that now. He has already selected his squad and it's now only going to change based on the injury situation.
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29 minutes ago, trout101 said:
McLeish's first spell was only 10 games and second spell was a disaster. Also, who cares? Clarke has largely won when it matters- to get us to 2 Euros in a row. If you has said that would happen back in 2018 you'd have been utterly delirious with joy.
Now seeing a load of revisionism about an emphatic qualification for Euro 2024 where we qualified with games to spare , again utterly unheard of.
I was just pointing out that you had been very selective with your stats. I guess you hoped nobody would notice?
Scottish players in action 21/22
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This four goalies thing seems to have grown arm and legs. Do folk not realise that none of the four goalies stopped somebody else getting in the squad? He could have made the squad for these friendlies, as big as he wanted.
I really hope that this "four goalies" thing doesn't turn out to be Steve Clarke's equivalent of Levein's "no strikers" moment. 🤣