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    SNP leadership election

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    I went to look at the articles. It's like a product placement for the company that makes them. A paragraph about how it got lifted then a full spread detailing all the features. :D Working showers, felt lines walls etc etc. Was quite funny

    Then obviously a round up of everything that has happened since Wednesday. I see this happened on Wednesday as well at the same time. Papers just getting wind of it now though.

    Retirement......

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    15 hours ago, duncan II said:

    It is a good thread, but making me feel awful about some of my early career decisions. I'm 50 now and genuinely don't see how I'll be able to retire before 67 or whatever. Those (the majority here?) talking about retiring in 50s, it blows my mind. I've had good professional level posts since graduating late 20s but not made great pension provision. I had a council pension, for example, but in order to consolidate at one point, I moved it to an inferior product. I then worked for myself a wee while and had no provision. Latterly, due to ill health, I've moved to a home-based, poorly paid job. I pay into a pension but I think my combined private pensions over the years will be minuscule, therefore will be working till state pension age. And then pick up that pittance.

    Enjoy your respective retirements, folks, but think of us mere mortals.

    Don't worry I have no pension to speak of. I've been primary caregiver to my gran for vast majority of my adult life. I'll not be retiring at all.

    I've worked for half a year at a time when able to, and i've been collecting qualifications as I can along the way. The rate my gran is going though she might need me for another 10 years and that's her 95 now.

    Probably be in the 70's retirement age by the time i get there.

    SNP leadership election

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    37 minutes ago, ThistleWhistle said:

    I'm starting to think it's an elaborate advertising campaign culminating on Friday with the cast of STV's 2023 remake of Taggart bursting out of the tent 'There's been a misgender!'

    Either something bigger is afoot or the police are reveling in taking the absolute piss - damage is done unfortunately and can only see it getting worse before it gets better.

    I want to know what is actually the score. We've discussed for ages (going back years I think) whether there has been anything dodgy going on, it's all been alluded to without any actual concrete timeline of events, and what happened and where.

    Corruption in politics isn't a surprise at all. At the same time I need substance before I can actually make a decision, this is a circus atm. That's not to say there isn't something going on and this is just a side-show while forensic accountants are actually putting together the real case.

    If it turns out to be the SNP leadership under Murrell went all "lottery winner spending" then had to dip into the ring-fenced independence fund cause they spent beyond on their means, that's a total scandal and betrayal. It's also just lying and thieving, but hardly dig up the garden and tear up the house with 20 officer territory.

    Anyway as I said earlier the new seasons of SNP have been very entertaining while I wait the new episode of Picard each week.

    SNP leadership election

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    1 hour ago, Malcolm said:


     

    I agree, and that’s why I said looking back.  But there is a cost to everything so locking everything down so heavily wasn’t necessarily the best choice for saving lifes.

    I think more responsibility should have been put on the individual to make a sensible choice.  Police out stopping people driving from one place to another, seems surreal.

     

    But the specific point of contention (regarding restrictions) here is travelling in a train for hours while being positive. Which seems a reasonable thing to not allow. The plethora of other measures will have varying merits.

    SNP leadership election

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    4 minutes ago, Malcolm said:


    rules are rules I guess, but looking back we can see the restrictions were ludicrous.  We are all paying for that now.

    That's like saying the guy last week is an idiot for betting on something cause you now know the outcome.

    You're an idiot for betting on A to win cause we now know B won.

    Exponential growth of cases started late in August 2020 for covid. That's why more restrictions were announced in September 2020.

    SNP leadership election

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    Just for the record I agree with aaid in the sense that Forbes was lauded for not being "tactical" when answering about her views on things. Fast-forward we have mental gymnastics cause folk are trying to preserve their own narratives and also the narrative of Forbes being honest.

    The problem is the last two narratives are logically incompatible. Aaid pointing this out is causing cognitive dissonance and that gets projected into anger etc, so you have one side of the partisan crowd (aaid is partisan on the other side) trying to resolve this dissonance by trying to not think about it using various techniques like, ban him, mock him, marginalise him etc.

    Anyway enough armchair psychologist from me.

     

    SNP leadership election

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    1 minute ago, mcguffin said:

    Maybe voting for the candidate who emphasised finding a route to independence? (I like Kate and Humza, but I think they come across at best as 'gradualists'?)

    OK then it's people who believe her when she says she knows the way. Fair enough I don't believe that she knows a way at all.

    I wonder what the venn diagram of Regan believers and "smitty" believers are, is it just one circle?

    SNP leadership election

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    7 minutes ago, mcguffin said:

    Thanks! That makes sense.

    I found this article which breaks lays bare the sheer number of Oxford and Cambridge graduates in the Tory and Labour parties at Westminster. It's a shame they don't break it down by subject studied. (I'd hypothesise that most of the Oxbrige MPs have humanities degrees, which in turn might explain why so many Oxford graduates end up in politics? )

    The bit that jumped out at me: "...10 MPs graduated from a single college, Balliol in Oxford. [7 CONs 3 LABs]...".

    It's got a bit of a "To the Manor Born" architectural vibe?

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    Probably right, Thatcher studies chemistry under the tutelage of a nobel prize winner though.

    Also

    PPE: the Oxford degree that runs Britain

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/feb/23/ppe-oxford-university-degree-that-rules-britain

    SNP leadership election

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    Let's be honest you can kiss goodbye to independence for a long time regardless of who wins. I hope Kate or Ash do win it, cause then we get to see it being kissed goodbye for a long time without having to worry about the counterfactual crowd being if only x won, we'd be independent.

    The whole thing is trench warfare now. No one is making any gains outwith statistical swings. There needs to be a radical overhaul of how we try and persuade people. None of the 3 candidates are particularly impressive.

    Kate Forbes has the highest ceiling by quite a margin, in my opinion. The fact she has been indoctrinated in theology and is essentially a groomed and sponsored christian conservative notwithstanding. She's the gamble only one of the three with any chance of doing something, but could also backfire.

    Ash Regan reminds me of someone trying to win a primary in the USA, but with no appeal outside that.

    Hamza is semi-competent and has some experience , a career politician, utterly uninspiring but the "safest choice".

     

    Since I don't care about the SNP retaining government or how well it does, i'd gamble and vote on Forbes.

    SNP leadership election

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    Posted · Edited by phart

    1 hour ago, mcguffin said:

    Fair enough.

    Incidentally, I think Lesley Riddoch went to Oxford. It's possible to come out the other end of that place and still be grounded in reality?

    Of course. I know a couple of graduates as well. I was meaning between the two oxbridge universities, Oxford has produced all the latest Tory PM's pretty much and Blair, only Brown and Major since the war haven't been there. The last Cambridge one was Stanley Baldwin.

    Forbes went to Cambridge not Oxford so wasn't a dig at her.

     

    SNP leadership election

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    44 minutes ago, mcguffin said:

    As someone stated earlier in this thread, she went to Dingwall Academy:
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    Not to take sides she went to several school in different countries, some international schooling, some in India etc.

    She was both privately educated then finished up doing most of her exams as a Dingwall Academy pupil.

    Also as an aside Oxford seems to be a much bigger cunt farm than Cambridge with respect to politics. Just my opinion though.

    SNP leadership election

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    OK as an excercise I made a note of all of "smitty's" claims. I'm recovering from an injury/illness so have a bit of time so thought would keep an eye on this.

    The first verifiable one that "Sturgeon will be on the backbenches by next FMQ's" hasn't materalised.

    This would happen because "her positions is no longer tenable" as big stories will come out that she can't survive.

    If Peter Murrell isn't arrested in the next 24 hours that's another one falsified.

    Now of course the timing might just be out so need to let the play run out a bit, but this is exactly the same rhetorical shape that Q-anon took in America.

     

    Now of course human psychology tells us that most folk won't then change their mind they will instead "double down"

    As most famously is demonstrated by the cult "The seekers" , see "when prophecy fails" as the textbook for these sort of things.

     

    SNP leadership election

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    9 minutes ago, stocky said:

    Two terms is the max anyone should be at first minister etc 

    Maybe 3 for all others .

    That would get rid of dead wood like murdo, bailie, Rennie etc 

    Also the snp deadwood. Lobby fodder etc..

    however that would have stopped Nicola becoming first minister in 2014, as that was her 4th term I think....

     

    I don't really know.....so maybe I'm just talking shite ..

     

     

    That's the problem in fixing one problem you create others. Easy to implement something to fix a problem, however then you have to think what unintended consequences happen.

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