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    SNP leadership election

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    5 minutes ago, brant grebner said:

    bicameral parliament

    fixed terms for all politicans

    reduce salary to living wage for all MSPs

    death by garrote for political corruption

    Fixed terms has been something i'd like for ages. Stop career politicians, makes it harder to buy someone for 40 years of political will.

    Salary is a hard one, it's hard enough to attract folk, like unpaid internships only attract folk that can afford to do them and as a result favours certain sections of society. I get the theory behind it, but in practice is it really going to do what you hope? We'll get civic minded people applying, not sure.

    Not really thought too deeply about bicameral, i'm also against capital punishment ;)

    SNP leadership election

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    5 minutes ago, mcguffin said:

    Yes, that was the point I was trying to make. Apologies for giving you the heebie jeebies. I feel the same about 'Reagonomics' 🥶. But in terms of rebuilding a scandal-ridden party and getting a message across, there are maybe lessons for our politicians to learn?

    I think the most important thing is to use it as a catalyst for enacting actual changes. First thing i'd want to know is actually what has and has not happened. the comment sections of blogs isn't going to cut it for me at the moment.

    SNP leadership election

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    33 minutes ago, mcguffin said:

    Fair point on the money. And I guess we could chuck in a hostile media into the mix.  But I think also Reagan had a message many US voters at the time wanted to hear, and had the communication skills (and speechwriters and so on) to get the message across. The SNP need to do the same.

    As for having to contend with the UK government, yes also a good point. But Reagan had to contend with the USSR (albeit a USSR whose best days were behind them).

    Not sure I personally would be holding up Thatcher's soul mate as who we need to emulate. Unless the point is other political parties have survived then thrived after scandals. Which is fair enough, two horse race in USA, but we're not quite at watergate levels either.

    I get the heebie jeebies thinking about "Reaganomics" and the total disater they've wrought on normal working people while facilitating deregulation of media, finance and enviromental estates. Perpetuating the myth of trickledown economics. The arch neo-liberal economic.

    SNP leadership election

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    It was also reported in newspapers as well. In fact Dave quoted the newspaper article a couple of pages back.

    Which is why a link to a dated post is what is needed to ascertain the veracity of claims being made.

    No one has to accept what I think is the burden of proof. However Hitchen's razor applies "what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence"

    So I choose to dismiss it.

    SNP leadership election

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    3 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

    “I have worked for independence all my life and will continue to do so, albeit in a different capacity, until it is achieved – and I do firmly believe that independence is now closer than ever.”

    He mustn’t be well to think independence is closer than ever. 

    Well if we think temporally and assume independence does happen, then it's closer every moment. If we use time as a measurement. ;)

    SNP leadership election

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    11 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

    1 - Only one MSP candidate had advance warning that Sturgeon was going to resign

    2 - The use of Parliamentary emails to send Vote Humza material to members

    3 - Pop up activists and photo shoots to support Humza

    4 - Majority of MSPs and MPs backing Humza when some said they would remain neutral

    5 - Repeated endorsements like Swinney today

    6 - Culture war used against Forbes and to a lesser extent Regan

    7 - Smears against Forbes by the likes of Mhairi Black and others - letting their local members know that Humza was the only candidate to vote for

    8- High Follower twitter accounts revealed as SNP staffer accounts supporting Humza and not tolerating dissent

    9 - Daily Record endorsement

    Apart from the use of parliamentary emails, none of these mean anything.

    Let's run through it, so the vote should be stopped cause of repeat endorsement?

    the vote should be stopped caused the Daily Record showed a preference, like every paper does every election in every country.

    the vote should be stopped cause someone said they would be neutral then expressed a preference.

    I'm sure in your head this sounds reasonable but to me it is the TAMB equivalent of

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    SNP leadership election

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    4 minutes ago, Orraloon said:

    Like phart, I want to know what the specific allegations are and not just generalised "it's been fixed" stuff. Of course it's possible to pochal election results. It happens all over the world and there is no reason why it can't happen here. But if these people know that something dodgy is going on, then tell what it is. In specific terms. The only confirmed thing I've seen so far is the Emma Harper emailgate thing. Which is pretty mild stuff really.

    It's annoying cause if there are no specific things, it's just that stupid "stop the steal" rhetoric in America, which incidentally got defeated something like 40 times out of 40 in USA across multiple states.

    In an election folk are allowed to favour a candidate , reacting to it not being you by shouting fix without any specific facts just makes you sound unhinged imo.

    SNP leadership election

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    3 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

    The whole party machine has been at Yousaf's disposal for the campaign- not so much Regan and Forbes

    Less than 24 hours after the membership deterioration reveal and the resignation of Murray Foote because he had to lie for the SNP NEC - John Swinney reminds everyone that he is voting for the continuity candidate having already announced it before

    So stop the count cause John Swinney repeated himself?

    What's the party machine? Have resources/money been given to Yousaf that haven't been afforded to the others?

    Surely just list the differences , if it's just the fact that loads of the higherups have a preference that is totally normal in leadership campaigns, endorsements exist world-wide. If it's something else state what it is.

    It's obvious most MP's and MSP's favour one candidate over the other though. That's normal in these things.

    SNP leadership election

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    Regarding the denomination that Forbes is a member of is it just conservative christian in the sense that pro-life, anti same sex marriage type, or is it even deeper and starts straying into stuff like, age of universe , evolutionary theory etc?

    A quick google shows there are churches with a very similiar name spouting that evolution is a religious belief and the usual creationist arguments. However i'm unsure if it is the same sect or not.

     

     

    SNP leadership election

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    9 minutes ago, exile said:

    When you're busy there's only so much time you can engage in politics and when you step away for a bit and come back and its the same arguments and the same polarisation and the same impasse on the path to independence, what is there to do? I guess if there's a leadership election you can engage in that if you are a member but if not, there's not much to be done except wait till the leader is elected, the dust settles, and see if it's a disaster or a fresh start.

    I was meaning in the context of attracting people to become politicians, actually competent people. I get and agree in the main with your point though.

     

    SNP leadership election

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    2 hours ago, Toepoke said:

    To me this is the nub of it. Sturgeon enjoyed being First Minister (and TBF she was good at it) a lot more than leading the campaign for independence.  

    That's one interpetation. I don't think the government was that good by the way. Better than Tory England but it's a low bar.

    It might even be the correct one. However,

    Another is they have folk that can understand data as opposed to armchair strategists. Then picked an incremental approach to achieving it, cause the numbers, in their view, don't support any other way and "make a positive case" is a vaccous slogan and not an actionable plan.

    There's an even bigger meta-problem around politics where it's dominated by partisan gomerals addicted to their social media feeds, covered by media trying to generate enagegement which means producing outrage, which in turn leads folk further down the path of polarisation. So why would anyone of competence even want to engage in this? You can have an easier life channelling that competence elsewhere.

    Everyone's too up in arms about stuff. We're about to see what a post Salmond/Sturgeon SNP looks like, both sides got what they wanted, Salmond out then Sturgeon out. It's going to be grim would be my guess.

    SNP leadership election

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    Lizz Trust was all the "Free market" "Libertarians" "Game-theory" bro's policies acted out at once and the very markets they loved tanked them out.

    I've not paid much attention to the race so my uneducated thoughts are Humza is same sort of course candidate, Kate is more fiscal and social conservative, we've seen one budget from her and gives a wee hint into her thinking. We have a parliament so her personal views are tempered by the mechanisms of that.

    Regan is more the Truss candidate got radical ideas which might crash violently with reality if she get's a chance to enact them.

    My general thoughts are apathy to them. None are going to last long, this is a transition leader. However it's not like i've been studying the situation closely so there's probably an even bigger chance i'm havering pish. I've found a good thread to do so though.

    Tennis 2019

    in Other Sports

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    I think it's amazing what Murray is doing. You see it in sports when you're just not what you once were and then "the intangibles" come into play and things like heart get put on display. Folk see it and respond. I've lost count of the amount posts i'm seeing from folk all round the world really warming up to Murray. Saying how impressive what he is doing is. Younger folk making memes, it probably shouldn't work this way but i think this stint will be the one a lot of folk will remember. 

    I remember it happening to Chris Eubank when he was older and losing fights but refusing to quit and that's when he got so much respect.

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